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sand & clearance


assuming all my questions will be here some where, but need a bit off help to find the answers as I,m a newby...
I drive a t31 ti & took it upto bribie for a test run on sand, minus the wife & kids..
lowered tyres to 20psi as the low clearance is an issue? drove the 2k track no problems, got onto beach easy... this was great!! went for a drive then tryed to get off...& got stuck half way up the track, a passer by gave me a tow, tried about 4 times to get back up with no succes until he told me to turn off the esp... bingo no dramas off I went..
Went back upto bribie a week later loaded with the camping gear(lowered tyre to 18), got onto beach again no problems, until getting off the next day... got stuck again trying to exit the beach..
got towed back & tryed a different line & stuck the tiptronic auto into 2nd & got up fine this time.
I,m wondering a couple off things..is it worth raising the exy? & is pedders the best option & anyone have an idea off the cost?
does anyone go upto bribie & want a follower, or is there ever any beach cruises either bribie or noosa?
cheers bruce

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Bruce,
Believe it or not, a lift will not stop you getting stuck in an X Trail.
Yes it may help in some places but you will still get stuck.

20 psi is still too high for sand driving, you mentioned you didn't want to lower the tyres too much to keep the Xy as high as possible. If you lowered to 15 psi it would have made the world of difference.

It all comes down to how soft or hard the sand is and driving style.

There are several threads here that cover tyre pressures in sand, lift kits and manufacturers and driving style in sand.
Use the search engine as Jalal said and use like you would Google, just type in what you want to know.

Good luck.

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Cheers Tony, my previous experience in 4wd sand driving was around 15 years ago in my old hilux, I always lowered the pressure to 15psi & never had a problem in around 6 trips to straddie.
I had forgotten the fun & exhilaration with driving on the beach.
I,ve owned the exey for 2 years & finally decided to take it on the beach, but because I was a bit unprepared & got stuck a couple of times its knocked my confidence around a bit.
I want to take the family, but I really dont want to take the them until I,m confident to get on & off.
 I,m thinking of getting a quote from pedders to raise it up a bit

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It is not clearance stopping you from exiting the beach at Bribie. I have had no probs and I have seen a couple of other standard height Xtrails on the beach there too. Check my trip report for my recent trip over there but I went to 18psi. 4 people in the car plus esky/boards/chairs etc and had no issues whatsoever. Just remember to keep esp off! Lol. Are you using LOCK mode on the beach exits?

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yes i had it in lock 4wd for the exits, then auto on the hard stuff, almost lost the rear bumper on the last exit...I think not switching off the esp on my first exit at woorim really knocked my confidence around & made me tentative second time around..
So yes its got a bit to do with driving technique,
going to get a quote for front bash plates & spring raise

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Make sure you get a rear plate too. It is the only way to prevent your rear bumper being 'modified' by soft sand. I checked heaps of places and the set off the forum shop provide the most complete protection.

Yeah esp is a killer on the sand mate.

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Sand driving is all about technique and tire pressure.

A mate and I learned to 4W drive together. The first few times we'd get stuck when there was a little sand on the road. A few months later we'd be driving all day in 2wd.

IMHO, if you regularly have clearance issues on the Xtrail, it might not be the right car. 'Taller' tires will be a cheaper and easier option. You'll have to check state regulations. I know there is some stuff floating around regarding what constitutes a 4wd and the possibility of running bigger tires. I found 225 75 16s to work well.

Pressure is critical, as mentioned. On bigger 4wd's with bigger tires 8psi is the magic number. You should start at ~15psi on the xtrail. I run ~12psi.

As for Xtrail settings... ESP off. Auto diff is fine for 99%. Use lock when you have diagonal ruts where one wheel will lift, even then you'll need to keep your foot in it and wait for the BLSD to kick in. I always use manual mode on the auto gearbox and try to keep revs a little higher. Higher revs give you room to slow down and keep it in gear, better engine braking and also keep the gearbox a fraction cooler.
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Pressure is critical, as mentioned. On bigger 4wd's with bigger tires 8psi is the magic number. You should start at ~15psi on the xtrail. I run ~12psi.

I don't where you got 8 psi from but that will severely increase the risk of rolling a tyre for sure.
!5 psi max in sand regardless the size of the tyre, after all you only want to increase the length of the footprint.


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Got 8psi from trial and error, plus loads of advice from people along the way.

Got stuck in the Hilux one day quite badly. Went down to the beach only to find there was only one way in and one way out. Couldn't get back up the dunes. Tried for ~2 hours at 12-15psi. No luck. Eventually some 'real' 4w drivers came along. They all ran bead lockers, massive tires and much lower than 8psi.

Guys told us to run 8psi for those tires, and we certainly didn't want to risk that, so we tried at ~10psi. We got very close but still didn't make it. Without resorting to an extremely complicated recovery, we bit the bullet, dropped to 8psi and got up no dramas.

From there the hilux was magic. Were we used to get bogged in 4wd, we went through easily in 2wd.
We did pop the bead off once, but we got caught out at night.

Used 8psi when I had the d40 navara.

Xtrail crabbing along the beach. 10-12psi. Stock 16", no tires rolled.
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The penalty for rolling a tire can be harsh, which is why id suggest 15 for the smaller xtrail tires. I've also gotta say that I kept my stauns set at 8psi for ~2 years worth of off roading on the xtrail.

If ur running 20psi and don't get stuck, you're golden. I'd definitely suggest the OP run 15, maybe even try 12psi if he's still getting stuck, rather than spend a thousand on a lift which won't help.
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I have run it (Bridgestone A/T 16" tyres) with 12psi in soft sand with no issues and no 4WD overheating. I wouldn't drop it to 8psi though.

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