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Date Registered: 08-2012
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No hate on the petrols - just realistic: they have less torque than the diesels - e.g the hill on Todd's recent trip. I'm talking about the 'from factory' potential... at one end we have the 2WD petrols, on the other end we have the manual diesels.

Most 'city' drivers have the petrol model (rightly so - nullifies the DPF issue) to get to and from the soccer pitch and shopping centres - and alot of them are 2WD. This is what the fourby drivers see.

They don't see a whole group of x-trails getting through Baal Bones rock step (the 2012 trip with Todd). There were petrol and diesel T30's and T31s... but no one sees the fact that we got through relatively unscathed.

Its just like certain 4WD's coming in 2WD variants (e.g. Mitsu Challenger) - but no one realises that, and most 2WD challenger drivers would still get '4WD' cred out on the street.

Its a fact that the x-trail will always be seen as a soft-roader, even though in a lot of cases (4WD petrol and diesel) we'd smash a 2WD fourby - its because we are a small minority, in a large pool of 'urban' x-trail drivers. We'll just have to convince everyone, when they see an x-trail in strictly 4WD territory (I still remember driving through the middle of Bendethera valley and seeing everyone look at the car amazed that it got in there).

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Date Registered: 08-2011
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I still remember driving through the middle of Bendethera valley and seeing everyone look at the car amazed that it got in there.



Haha that's one of my favourite things emoticon

It's true what you're saying about the diesels in steep terrain where low speed is the order of the day, but I've seen the advantage a petrol has over us on sand dunes. They can rev up much higher and therefore carry extra speed in a low gear. The gear ratios for 1 and 2 are identical for petrol and diesel. Definitely a plus when trying to get momentum to climb a steep dune.


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Date Registered: 02-2004
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Sorry Michael but that is hardly a defence to tha "haters" out there, as the X-Trail has been in production since 2001 and even before the T31 diesel even came out and there were a LOT of T30 owners who were and still are taking their T30 off-road and iot proved itself numerous times as a very capable soft-roader compared to all others in its class, so I don't believe the haters out there are not familiar with the xtrail versions or the differences, they just look at the xtrail as over-sized station wagon and until this mentality changes, we gonna always see these guys bag the exy without knowing what it's capable of.

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Date Registered: 08-2012
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 they just look at the xtrail as over-sized station wagon and until this mentality changes, we gonna always see these guys bag the exy without knowing what it's capable of.



Thats it. But they're never going to see that, because 90%+ of the cars would never see a fire trail. E.g. my wife loves the x-trails on road handling, and bought it for that reason. The offroading was an after thought.

Most people drive it because it has the 'suv seating position', practical boot space and size, and is very compliant on the road. For many, off-roading is an after thought.

Just add up all the bash plates you've sold (and maybe add 50 more for the TJM)... that would be close to the 'offroading' x-trail community in australia. Then compare how many units Nissan is selling per month, since 2001. There'd maybe be another 100-200 that would go offroading without bash plates (and risking serious damage to their cars). You of all people would be able to roughly tell how many people have taken their x-trails offroad, by running the shop and forum for so long.

Those who actually use their x-trails offroad (and I don't mean dirt roads or 2WD accessible firetrails or stockton beach which sees Foresters, CRVs, Klugers, Impreza XV, RAV4 etc.)... there would not be many. Go to your local shopping centre, and you'd get at least 20-30 x-trails parked in the shops.

We have no chance of turning people's mind, if cars like the Suzuki GV are looked down on: they have a ladder frame chassis and LR, and ARB accessories to boot... So I understand why people snigger at the x-trail as being a softroader. Even nissan advertises it as such, with some token muddy mountain bike glossy photos, whereas the Patrol brochure sees it climbing dunes or rocks that in all honesty, an x-trail could go across easily. Until we have LR in the x-trail, we'll also be looked down on.

The easiest way to deal with these internet trolls - is just link them to a few vids of the x-trails in action, and point to the fact that we can go to 75-80% of places they go, but 100% more comfortably, and can use our car in urban environments as well.



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Yeah, but the same can certainly be said about the big toys! More and more full sized 4WDs are being lined at the turning circle at school picking-up kids and they hardly ever see a puddle, let alone an off-road track.

My brother in law is one of those, bought himself a brand new Patrol but never goes off-road, so when I aksed him why did he choose the patrol over the pathfinder or even the exy, his answer was "higher seating position, more space, more comfy in long runs to Melbourne and back (sometimes on the same day) and generally feels tougher!

When in Sydney he drives his truck to work and his wife (my sister in law) uses the Patrol for shopping and kids pick-up!

Now you tell me, is that enough excuse to buy a full time 4WD?

So if you really want to compare the number of die-hard off-roaders who take their pride and joy for a real off-road adventure from the newly sold Nissan vehicles, you can probably count them with 2-3 sets of hands emoticon The rest usually venture out in a old and trusty fourby which is most likely is being used solely for this type of fun!

The prices of cars these days certainly makes you think twice about thrashing it off-road, as you could be driving a small fortune!

Yes, the x-trail is a soft-roader and that is its class, so there is no shame in that, but the correction must be made when compared to others in its class by saying it is THE most capable soft-roader in off-road situations.

You will NEVER be able to call the exy a full time off-roader no matter how many mods your chuck at it and there is no shame in admitting it.

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You will NEVER be able to call the exy a full time off-roader no matter how many mods your chuck at it and there is no shame in admitting it.



That's a bold statement. Admittedly no sane person would spend the money and time to engineer a low range X-Trail mounted on a specially constructed ladder frame chassis, but to never say never emoticon


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...eagerly waiting for a chassis and LR kit to come out from Japan emoticon

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Well, you guys have bought the wrong car if that is what you are trying to do or if you think that it will exceed its capabilities being a part-time 4WD.

If and when the LR will be added to the exy, it won't be called an Exy anymore because that's why they have the Pathy here and the XTERRA overseas (which we are missing-out on).

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I still think the best option we could have is to convince ARB to make an air-locker for our rear diff.
Either that or find a diff from another Nissan which they do make a locker for and retrofit it to the rear transfer coupling.

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Don't convince ARB as they're hopeless, convince Nissan Japan emoticon

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