Poll: T31 Strut Spacers https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/t128473 Runboard| Poll: T31 Strut Spacers en-us Fri, 29 Mar 2024 08:50:38 +0000 Fri, 29 Mar 2024 08:50:38 +0000 https://www.runboard.com/ rssfeeds_managingeditor@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds managing editor) rssfeeds_webmaster@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds webmaster) akBBS 60 Re: Re:https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2086844,from=rss#post2086844https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2086844,from=rss#post2086844quote:stickinthemud wrote: wrong..... the rear suspension is one complet sub-frame. packing the spring increases the swingarm angle which may cause some issues, but if you put blocks/packers in between the sub-frame to body and the swingarm pivots also you effectively do not change any of the geometry, including halfshafts/cv shafts. the only things that will change slightly, is the drivesgaft/tail-shaft angle, but not too the extent somone else mentioned in another thread, also exhaust clearance will be tight, on the stock systems. i have the TL t31 and have the kings ready to put in, raised 30mm as advertised, will advis of this effect prior to laser/waterjettung some packer blocks, fro fron and rear, but only after the springs have settled and levelled out.not before.... Ive had the car on hoist numerous times now, taking measurements everytime, will confirm and show with pics. In response to above post, the rear, top spring perches are part of the same subframe in which the whole rear assy articulates/pivots from. any Q's just ask. nat0 I was wholly setup to do exactly that, I still have the blocks ready in my shed; just never got around to doing it as I'd need to borrow a few jacks stands to completely separate the subframe from the car. Just a shame I have no xtrail anymore haha. You mentioned you're making your own packer blocks? Not sure how you're planning to use those on the front though? You can't space a subframe on the front as there isn't really one? You can only space the strut from the shell (if you made your own strut spacers, as nobody else does) or space the spring from the strut (coil spacers, also not specifically available for the xtrail although can still be done as I did that to mine using coil spacers from japan for a toyota ae70). Also, I'm pretty sure the top coil mount on the rear of the t31 is actually mounted to the body? I remember having trouble with this as even if I spaced the subframe, I still needed a separate pair of coil spacers to achieve any gain in actual ground clearance for the rest of the body (which were damn near impossible to source as the perch for the top of the rear springs is quite narrow). If you've figured out a way to make it work though, then I'm all eyes/ears, just make sure you take plenty of photos and try not to sit on your arse too long like I did haha nondisclosed_email@example.com (Ian Ewin)Wed, 11 Feb 2015 17:35:53 +0000 Re:https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2086823,from=rss#post2086823https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2086823,from=rss#post2086823wrong..... the rear suspension is one complet sub-frame. packing the spring increases the swingarm angle which may cause some issues, but if you put blocks/packers in between the sub-frame to body and the swingarm pivots also you effectively do not change any of the geometry, including halfshafts/cv shafts. the only things that will change slightly, is the drivesgaft/tail-shaft angle, but not too the extent somone else mentioned in another thread, also exhaust clearance will be tight, on the stock systems. i have the TL t31 and have the kings ready to put in, raised 30mm as advertised, will advis of this effect prior to laser/waterjettung some packer blocks, fro fron and rear, but only after the springs have settled and levelled out.not before.... Ive had the car on hoist numerous times now, taking measurements everytime, will confirm and show with pics. In response to above post, the rear, top spring perches are part of the same subframe in which the whole rear assy articulates/pivots from. any Q's just ask. nat0nondisclosed_email@example.com (stickinthemud)Mon, 09 Feb 2015 23:33:29 +0000 Re: Poll: T31 Strut Spacershttps://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2081005,from=rss#post2081005https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2081005,from=rss#post2081005Yer I understand that but the amount the wheel will move forward with a 25mm or 30mm spacer shouldn't cause any issue. I have the 30mm spring lift and oversize tyres and there is still plenty of clearance. Just my 2cents. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Buggs)Sat, 15 Feb 2014 10:04:54 +0000 Re:https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2080940,from=rss#post2080940https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2080940,from=rss#post2080940Alignment isn't the issue, mate.. trailing arm suspension means the further away from the body the arm gets (when lifted) the closer the tyre gets to the front of the wheel well. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Ian Ewin)Wed, 12 Feb 2014 21:06:06 +0000 Re: Poll: T31 Strut Spacershttps://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2080930,from=rss#post2080930https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2080930,from=rss#post2080930Hay guys this issue of not being able to lift the back due to the traling arm setup of the suspention is not a drama at all. All you need to do is make a ring to sit between the top of the spring and the body. You will be able to adjust the wheel ailment via the adjusters on the lower control arm. Same idea as just putting a longer spring in bit you are just using a solid block.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Buggs)Wed, 12 Feb 2014 16:50:33 +0000 Re:https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2061728,from=rss#post2061728https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2061728,from=rss#post2061728Bump. Anymore info on this? nondisclosed_email@example.com (russgt)Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:57:25 +0000 Re:https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2061102,from=rss#post2061102https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2061102,from=rss#post2061102Hi Anthony, Sorry mate but if there was a strut lift for the T31 it would only be for the front, as the rear has a swingarm unlike the T30. Suspension is the only choice you have. Be sure to read any of the previous posts in this thread and look in the suspension lift thread for the T31, you would have already found your answer.nondisclosed_email@example.com (cooch t31)Wed, 21 Mar 2012 04:37:53 +0000 Re:https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2061090,from=rss#post2061090https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2061090,from=rss#post2061090What are the advantages / disadvantages for spacer compared to springs?  I recently took my T31 out to Alkimos past Mindarie’s in WA for some sand driving and I was really impressed with the way the car handled especially the hill decent . I only bottomed out twice at the beginning of the trip where the sand was quite soft and the track that where there where quite high in the centre. I was hoping that raising the car a bit will help to solve this matter. Spacers seem to be the cheaper alternative but at the cost of what. Any advice? Thanks in advance nondisclosed_email@example.com (WestXtrail)Tue, 20 Mar 2012 11:24:27 +0000 Re: Poll: T31 Strut Spacershttps://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2056936,from=rss#post2056936https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2056936,from=rss#post2056936quote:dlpeek wrote: About 4 weeks ago I Rang Precisint Engineering in QLD who told me they still haven't had a T31 in to check out whatl could or could not be done ... That's not entirely true. Not long after I bought my T31, I took it out to Superior for them to check it out. Word at that time was that they would need more than just a couple of owners to "order" the modification to be worth their while.nondisclosed_email@example.com (loafer)Thu, 06 Oct 2011 21:16:15 +0000 Re: Re:https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2055269,from=rss#post2055269https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2055269,from=rss#post2055269quote:freewill11 wrote: I reckon you will be fine and just pick your line wisely and take it slow! That's the perfect advice and if you follow it you won't need any suspension lift either nondisclosed_email@example.com (jalalski)Sun, 07 Aug 2011 11:10:05 +0000 Re:https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2055267,from=rss#post2055267https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2055267,from=rss#post2055267Hey Dave I have the 35mm lift from Pedders plus the under body protection and find I hardly scrape the ground unless it is real severe angles and depressions! I reckon you will be fine and just pick your line wisely and take it slow! Regards Scotnondisclosed_email@example.com (freewill11)Sun, 07 Aug 2011 10:24:17 +0000 Re:https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2055258,from=rss#post2055258https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2055258,from=rss#post205525835mm is the highest because of the CV's in the front Dave. Shocks can be replaced with longer travel ones. The more height gained via a coil lift with prematurely wear out the front CV's. A spacer will work for the T31 on top of the front suspension as it does the T30 (like a body lift). The rear swing arm in the T31 is where the problem lies.nondisclosed_email@example.com (cooch t31)Sun, 07 Aug 2011 05:49:49 +0000 Re: Poll: T31 Strut Spacershttps://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2055246,from=rss#post2055246https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2055246,from=rss#post2055246About 4 weeks ago I Rang Precisint Engineering in QLD who told me they still haven't had a T31 in to check out whatl could or could not be done, I decided on a 35mm spring lift from Peders which I was told was the current max spring lift on a T31. Something to do with shock absorbers not being available to enable a 50mm lift like they can do on a T30 series exy. Anyway, I think the 35mm lift plus complete underbody protection plates will be sufficient for my Fraser Island trip in October,,,,at least I hope so. cheernondisclosed_email@example.com (dlpeek)Sat, 06 Aug 2011 18:49:34 +0000 Re: Poll: T31 Strut Spacershttps://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2055229,from=rss#post2055229https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2055229,from=rss#post2055229Has anybody heard anything yet about the 50 mm spacers? nondisclosed_email@example.com (Pantrail)Sat, 06 Aug 2011 09:08:30 +0000 Re: Poll: T31 Strut Spacershttps://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2053261,from=rss#post2053261https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2053261,from=rss#post2053261quote:Recently all lifts to a vehicle of 50mm or more (75mm with tyres) , including lowering I believe, requires an engineering certificate. This isnt yet a nationally legislated requirement. Once again, States have their own interpretations of what meets ADRs, and what doesnt. Some states allow only 50mm lift, and that lift included tyres (suspension+tyres=50mm max) If in any doubt call your local transport authority, get it in writing (if possible) and call your insurance company. Its confusing, and definately ridiculous for States to be so different. But engineers need to be kept employed, apparently nondisclosed_email@example.com (Robbo0001)Fri, 03 Jun 2011 06:01:11 +0000 Re: Poll: T31 Strut Spacershttps://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2053256,from=rss#post2053256https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2053256,from=rss#post2053256quote:andyp1971 wrote: But I would be curious to know how it would be implemented - how much the wheels will be moving back towards the exy centre-line, will new shocks be required to regain full travel. The front wheels would only move upwards as I has the McPherson strut. Although the rear wheels will in fact move forwards, towards the rear passenger doors, as the rear suspension is a swingarm design. As to the engineers certificate, Definately. Recently all lifts to a vehicle of 50mm or more (75mm with tyres) , including lowering I believe, requires an engineering certificate.nondisclosed_email@example.com (cooch t31)Fri, 03 Jun 2011 05:48:28 +0000 Re: Poll: T31 Strut Spacershttps://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2053247,from=rss#post2053247https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2053247,from=rss#post2053247If you could move superior engineering closer to Melby I'd be interested. Unfortunately at the moment just a little too far away. But I would be curious to know how it would be implemented - how much the wheels will be moving back towards the exy centre-line, will new shocks be required to regain full travel. Do they also provide engineering certificates if required? (Don't know if they are, just thought I'd ask though, would the lift affect road-worthy, insurance etc?) Well I suppose I could e-mail them directly... If the rear of the series 3 is different to the series 2 i'm guessing they'd need one of each to test out. Anyone got a teleport?nondisclosed_email@example.com (andyp1971)Thu, 02 Jun 2011 22:45:11 +0000 Re: Poll: T31 Strut Spacershttps://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2050285,from=rss#post2050285https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2050285,from=rss#post2050285Hi Team, Given that there does not seem to be overwhelming interest to move on the 50mm kit and as I am in Albany WA and cannot get my T31 over to Superior for them to design and fit the first kit - I fully read the T31 lift discussion and have ordered a set of 35mm lift king springs and some D694s instead. Also bought some 'max trax' - those things are unbelievable. Something for another thread though. Mark 09 T31 DT nondisclosed_email@example.com (muttonbird beach)Mon, 28 Feb 2011 22:05:41 +0000 Re: Poll: T31 Strut Spacershttps://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2050269,from=rss#post2050269https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2050269,from=rss#post2050269Until Superior actually get someone with a T31 into the shop, surely its to early to confirm what/how the lift will be constructed? They appear to be keen to do it, it just needs an owner to get their car into the shop for day or two. Everyone appears happy to reap the benefits, but no one wantst to do any legwork. This poll itself, let alone the T31 lifting discussion, has been going for nealy 6 months. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Robbo0001)Mon, 28 Feb 2011 16:50:00 +0000 Re:https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2050267,from=rss#post2050267https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2050267,from=rss#post2050267I have a question in regards to this. Are Superior going to engineer something to lift the wishbone suspension up at the back as well? The struts are only on the front in a T31.nondisclosed_email@example.com (cooch t31)Mon, 28 Feb 2011 16:42:18 +0000 Re: Poll: T31 Strut Spacershttps://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2050258,from=rss#post2050258https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2050258,from=rss#post2050258Any more word on the possibility of a 50mm strut spacer for the T31? Thanksnondisclosed_email@example.com (Pantrail)Mon, 28 Feb 2011 10:46:32 +0000 Re: Poll: T31 Strut Spacers (follow-up info)https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2050066,from=rss#post2050066https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2050066,from=rss#post2050066Luke from Superior just emailed me back and said they are very keen to fit the first kit as this would help them as well.nondisclosed_email@example.com (muttonbird beach)Tue, 22 Feb 2011 08:48:59 +0000 Re:https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2050065,from=rss#post2050065https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2050065,from=rss#post2050065Posted by muttonbird beach - Moved from another thread =========================================== Hi all, I lifted my T30 with an ARB kit which got me 35mm rear, 25mm front. Now want to lift my T31 (anyone from WA knows how soft the sand is and what its like bottoming out on toyota made ruts). Saw the forum posts from last year about the 50mm spacer lift kit from superior engineering. At $400 it looks like a great option. I emailed them to see if they had manufactured any yet. 'Luke Stallan' emailed back saying: "We still need a car for the template. The newer shape has a slightly different pattern for the strut. If we can get a car in for fitment we should be able to fit the spacers for free it would just cost the $400 for the spacers. But we will need the car for a day for 2 separate days." Looks like they are happy to do the kit if someone is willing to be the first   Unfortunately I can't get to their QLD workshop from WA but thought I'd do a new post to let people know the option is there if someone is happy to take it up. Mark 2009 T31 DT. Albany WA p.s. If no-one goes for it I plan to just go the ARB kit again. nondisclosed_email@example.com (jalalski)Tue, 22 Feb 2011 05:06:56 +0000 Re: Poll: T31 Strut Spacershttps://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2046386,from=rss#post2046386https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2046386,from=rss#post2046386well this isnt exactly looking like a compelling argument for superior.. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Calibrated)Sat, 25 Sep 2010 15:26:42 +0000 Re: Poll: T31 Strut Spacershttps://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2046286,from=rss#post2046286https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2046286,from=rss#post2046286Trouble is Ashley that according to Superior the series 3 struts are different to the series 2. This is why they are wanting to get more orders as we might be the only ones who want themnondisclosed_email@example.com (davnrox)Thu, 23 Sep 2010 22:07:32 +0000 Poll: T31 Strut Spacershttps://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2046266,from=rss#post2046266https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2046266,from=rss#post2046266So, following on davnrox's comment in the other thread. quote:Yep we popped in there the other day and looks like they are going to jerk us around "yes we are going to do it and we want your car but not until we get more orders" as Stephen said I thought i would put up a poll to gauge interest in T31 spacers for Superior Engineering. I will volunteer for my car to be the ginea pig. The question is: how many of us here, would purchase the spacer kit if Superior went ahead with it. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Calibrated)Thu, 23 Sep 2010 11:24:40 +0000