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Firstly, it is illegal to have a towbar fitted to your vehicle if it doesn't have trailer connected to it, so expect to get a ticket for this offence sooner or later.



Which ADR mentions this? Do you have a reference to it?

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I don't think Charlie250 is exactly correct here...my understanding is that towbars are only required to be removed if the towbar or towball obstructs the number plate. Since moving to Canberra I've been in the habit of leaving the towbar on as a means of defence against damage from being rear-ended. Canberra drivers are notorious tailgaters. I've never heard of anyone being booked for leaving their towbar on...only if it obstructs the number plate.

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Further to my last, after some more research, nowhere in WA road rules does it say that towbars must be removed from the vehicle when not towing. It only says that the numberplate must not be obstructed.

In NSW road rules regarding towbars, it says on page 7 that "Towbars must not protrude dangerously when there is no trailer connected."

I would suggest that the definition of "dangerously" is pretty loose; however the average factory fitted or professionally fitted towbar does not protrude "dangerously".

I would therefore suggest that any police officer trying to book someone for a protruding towbar risks a pretty strong case in court against the charge, unless he/she can acccurately define "dangerously protruding". Sorry Charlie, but I'm leaving my towbar on thanks.

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I believe that Charlie is at least partly correct. My understanding is that in VIC, that both VSI 8 and VSI 24 mention that towbar "tongue's" where fitted, are to be removed when not towing.

Of course they are both open to interpretation, however when we rang the VACC (just happen to own a workshop with RWC Tester License) we were told point blank, that yes, towbar tongue's are to be removed when not towing "so take them off and put them in the boot for the customer"

May be different in other states, however in VIC, it seems to be the case.

Edit = P.S Our X-Trail had the towbar fitted by the dealer at delivery, so would have had to abide by both rules, however it was still fitted...so there you go..

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I just checked both VSI mentioned and VSI8 make no mention of anything related to towbars and VSI24 only has the following statement regarding the towbar tongue attachment:


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Based on this information and the term May need to be removed, it doesn't say that it's illegal to leave it attached and if a cop books you for this, safety concerns would be the last thing on his/her mind!


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As i said, both documents were open to interpretation, just as you have, so we consulted the industry and were told straight out.

VSI 8 relates to protrusions etc, take it or leave, it, i can tell you that we have had it confirmed from numerous sources including the VACC, and in VIC, it is the case.



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Don't shoot the messenger here.............. This info comes from several family members and friends in the job.

You can receive a ticket for 2 reasons.


1. Protrusion - ANY protrusion beyond the bodyline of the vehicle is an offence. Eg arm out an open window, fishing rod holders mounted on the forward edge of the bulbar AND towbar still affixed without being connected to a trailer, just to name a few. They are all forms of protrusions which magistrates have upheld in court.

2. Numberplate obstruction - if the towbar or towball in anyway obscures any part of the numberplate, even only partially.


Leave yours on all the time or take it off when not in use. It makes no difference to me. But when "Mr Everything is Black & White" policemen writes you a ticket for yours still being affixed to the vehicle whilst not towing, don't complain and don't claim you didn't know.

In case none of you have noticed, state governments are as addicted to fine revenue, as a junkie craves heroin and police have been instructed that if they look hard enough, there is a fine waiting to be written on every vehicle they pull over.

I'm only trying to help you all reduce the chances of getting a ticket. I'd rather not get the ticket in the first place, that way I don't have unnecessary battles to fight in court. Being right in court over crap tickets, still comes at a cost. ie. day off work, getting to court etc. so mine comes off when I disconnect the trailer, in accordance with the advice I've received from numerous police members in the family & friends from Victoria, NSW & Qld.

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For what it's worth, I've taken it off, but only after I knocked my shin on the damn thing in the garage last weekend.

I'm still paranoid about impatient tailgating Canberra drivers...I'd rather see their car badly damaged and mine come off with a bit of minor towbar damage rather than a completely trashed rear end. If Canberra drivers weren't so keen on driving too close, I would have removed it ages ago.

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in context of the intercooler vulnerability, when I removed mine to clean out the buildup of oil, I noticed it had 'moved' significantly upwards on its mountings. This would have occurred following an excursion on some sand dunes when the vehicle dropped over a 'ledge' which was hard to pick out in the brilliant white sand (Lancelin WA).

I had the nudge bar on, but this would not helped in this situation. The front bash plate also did not, because of the angle at which I dropped.

So regardless, the position is vulnerable - my preference is on top of the motor with suitable ducted intake to it. Also not as susceptible to insects and bugs clogging it.

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For what it's worth, I've taken it off, but only after I knocked my shin on the damn thing in the garage last weekend.

I'm still paranoid about impatient tailgating Canberra drivers...I'd rather see their car badly damaged and mine come off with a bit of minor towbar damage rather than a completely trashed rear end. If Canberra drivers weren't so keen on driving too close, I would have removed it ages ago.



If morons want to tailgate and risk running up your backside, that's their problem. Surely that's one of the many points of having comprehensive insurance?

When I'm driving, I'm far too busy looking out the windscreen looking for things I have control over, rather than focussing on idiotic tailgaters behind me.


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