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jalalski
Date Registered: 02-2004
Location: SUTHERLAND, SYDNEY
TOTAL POSTS: 29100
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Good to know that you still running on the original CVT box.
There are no presumptions in THIS thread mate, you are reading facts from actual owners of early model CVTs who had the transmission replaced (and more than once). Nissan didn't choose to replace the transmission just because it is "noisy" as your mates stated, rather it was replaced because it has a defect. There is big difference between paying big bucks for a car that has some interior rattles and between paying those hard earned Dollars for a defected and faulty transmission which will cost you an arm and a leg to replace.
Head over to the "Dealers Feedback" thread and see a post from Scot who is now having the exact same CVT transmission issue for the 3rd time in a row and check how much Nissan want to charge him to get it fixed.
Would you take a chance to live with such a time bomb? I know I wouldn't regardless of how much your mates are trying to play this down.
A good question to ask your friends would be, why Nissan is still denying that the early model CVTs (including X-Trail, Murano and Dualis) had a manufacturing defect with the transmission caused by JATCO during the CVT assembly? How can Nissan justify charging owners over $6000 to replace a faulty and defected transmission when they clearly know about this issue?
For the record and am not sure if your mates told you this or if they know this at all, the CVT noise is the least of the concerns when it comes to the defect of the CVT Transmission, the noise is just an indication of bigger things to come (like total transmission failure) and when this is about to happen your car will record a fault code P0746. Ask your mates to tell you what this error code means.
Also ask them why Nissan US chose to provide an extra 10 years warranty on ALL CVT transmissions after being served a class action to address the issue. (details HERE)
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16/Sep/2014, 6:52 am
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r32dan
X-TRAIL NEWBIE
Date Registered: 08-2014
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Re: T31 CVT - How many Kms have you done trouble free?
Hi Jalanski,
I’m confused. Are you suggesting that the “majority” if not “all” of the early X Trails had faulty CVTs that failed to actually drive properly?
Because all my augment is, is that the majority are ok. I accept there were problems. I have never said there wasn’t. I am aware of the fault code, which is actually a separate issue, and if correctly diagnosed can actually be fixed without replacement! It is not the same problem as the commonly reported noise.
The first thread you have directed me to is the thread I was referring to when I said that most of the complaints (virtually all of them) are noise complaints and not CVT failure, although I agree there are some.
I actually read every single post in this thread when I first joined. So I am very familiar with that thread. Although there are truck load of posts among the 37 pages of that thread, there are actually only a handful of people reporting an issue and the rest are conversations back and forth that go for pages at a time. And they are nearly all about having replacement CVTs installed under warranty for “noise”!
My personal favourite post in this thread is the most recent one, which echoes my augment exactly. And the “small” group of people in this thread that have had cvt replacements in comparison to the thousands of early cvt X-Trails sold in Australia, is hardly a reflection of the true scale of the problem. And if you consider how many are actual complete mechanical failures, it is put even further into perspective.
Unless you are a car or forum enthusiast, you usually only go looking for forums if you have a “problem”. And what else should I expect to see in a thread called CVT replacement under 10,00kms. Not I love my CVT…….
If you check out Holden forums you’ll find heaps of angry early alloytec owners that had actual engine failures due to dodgy timing chains. Or LS1 owners that had piston slap and used litres of oil between changes.
And in ford forums you’ll find BA owners complaining about, wait for it, noisy automatics that they demanded be replaced under warranty due to the hardening wearing off the Sun gears. And you know what happened when they got replaced . They got noisy again. Meanwhile BA Taxis with 1000,000kms are running around whining there nut off but still going!
The fact is most of these models mentioned had worse problems, but the majority were ok. But you wouldn’t think so if you went looking through forums. After 7 years if the issues aren’t there they probably won’t ever, because you probably have a good one. That’s all I am trying to say….
PS…. You offer a good solid debate Jalanski
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17/Sep/2014, 5:10 am
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jalalski
Date Registered: 02-2004
Location: SUTHERLAND, SYDNEY
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Re: T31 CVT - How many Kms have you done trouble free?
quote: r32dan wrote:
I’m confused. Are you suggesting that the “majority” if not “all” of the early X Trails had faulty CVTs that failed to actually drive properly?
It depends on your definition of "drive properly", but it has everything to do with cars being sold with a factory defect and the consumer laws that support all purchasers being protected from having to shell out a fortune to trouble-shoot a defect caused by the manufacturer...Nissan!
quote: Because all my augment is, is that the majority are ok. I accept there were problems. I have never said there wasn’t. I am aware of the fault code, which is actually a separate issue, and if correctly diagnosed can actually be fixed without replacement! It is not the same problem as the commonly reported noise.
Yeah, they are OK for someone now buying these T31 2nd hand for quarter of the price and you naturally would accept there are some minor issues with the car, but saying this to owners who bought these cars brand new back in 2007-2009 who paid full price and expecting them to "live with it" because it's nothing serious is not ok. Some of these owners are still experiencing CVT failures with their newly replaced CVT transmission and they are now facing a HUGE repair bill because of Nissan's incompetence.
quote: I actually read every single post in this thread when I first joined. So I am very familiar with that thread. Although there are truck load of posts among the 37 pages of that thread, there are actually only a handful of people reporting an issue and the rest are conversations back and forth that go for pages at a time. And they are nearly all about having replacement CVTs installed under warranty for “noise”!
That thread gives you a sample of the CVT related faults from just a few owners from within this forum and we only represent a tiny segment of the T31 X-Trails sold with this problem not only in Australia but around the world. If you combine these cases with the ones reported almost in every single Nissan forum around the world and the fact there was a legal class action in the US for this particular defect, you can quickly realise the issue is beyond just "noise". As I said earlier the fault starts with noise and ends with total transmission failure.
Had the Australian consumer market been as large as the US and as "opinionated" as US consumers, Nissan Australia would have ended-up with exactly the same class action as Nissan US.
quote: My personal favourite post in this thread is the most recent one, which echoes my augment exactly. And the “small” group of people in this thread that have had cvt replacements in comparison to the thousands of early cvt X-Trails sold in Australia, is hardly a reflection of the true scale of the problem. And if you consider how many are actual complete mechanical failures, it is put even further into perspective.
Refer to the reply above and put things into perspective. You are sounding almost like the Nissan Australia representative I spoke to when I was trying to convince them that they can't walk away from this defect and expect customers to pay for the cost of the transmission after their factory warranty expires. (just kidding)
Seriously though, the cases recorded in our forum are just small sample, you can do your own research in Google to see how many others have been reported and how many other owners ended-up footing the bill for this defect and for no fault of their own. It makes me sick in the guts to see Nissan Australia getting away with ripping people off like that.
quote: Unless you are a car or forum enthusiast, you usually only go looking for forums if you have a “problem”. And what else should I expect to see in a thread called CVT replacement under 10,00kms. Not I love my CVT…….
There are HEAPS of posts on this forum from owners who praise their CVTs, you just need to find them rather than searching for problems, that's all
We say the way it is and without any sugar coating. If there are problems we will highlight them and if there are good reviews, we are always proud to share them too. That's the main difference between car forums and manufacturers' websites and Facebook pages.
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The fact is most of these models mentioned had worse problems, but the majority were ok. But you wouldn’t think so if you went looking through forums. After 7 years if the issues aren’t there they probably won’t ever, because you probably have a good one. That’s all I am trying to say….
Every car has its share of problems, but Nissan Australia usually take the lead when it comes to bluntly denying known facts and defects and this brings me back to the 2 questions you haven't answered yet:
* why Nissan is still denying that the early model CVTs (including X-Trail, Murano and Dualis) had a manufacturing defect with the transmission caused by JATCO during the CVT assembly?
*How can Nissan justify charging owners over $6000 to replace a faulty and defected transmission when they clearly know about this issue?
They always deined other known defects with the previous T30 models and people are still experiencing these problems and this defect 12 years down the track.
I am not saying that ALL of the older T31 X-Trails have CVT issues and this applicable to all other Nissan models with CVT, but the potential for it to have a CVT issue which as you correctly stated after 7 years would have either been replaced (and probably more than once) or you just got lucky and picked a good one.
In any case, this subject has been discussed and researched to death, so it is upto you to draw your own conclusions from it but the main thing is that you are now an Exy owner, so enjoy your Exy and hopefully for many years to come
EDIT: Post editted to correct spelling mistakes.
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