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Date Registered: 02-2004
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More sand driving experiences (bogged again!)


Hi everyone.

Clare, Josh & I stayed @ Forster for a week and did a couple of short spontaneous 4WD outings...

Both to the beach - one by ourselves near "Seal Rocks" and I did another with a mate in a Mazda Tribute near Booti Booti National Park.

The first one was a road sign-posted 4WD-only access (I didn't know it was narrow and twisty and leaded to the beach), but was uneventful in as far as I managed to NOT get bogged (attached photos below, but they're nothing special). I used 4WD LOCK mode as I was only intending to be there a very short time (less than a couple of minutes as I was only turning around to get back onto the track, and I wasn't going to lower the tyre pressures as it would've taken well over half an hour to reinflate them all with the small "SupaCheap Auto" compressor I have. The sand was very soft and I was having trouble getting out of the deep ruts made by larger 4WD's. There were plenty of them there and alot of fishermen on the beach, so I could've been rescued if needed. I stopped and got out to level-out a section in the ruts about 30m in front of me, so I'd have enough space to get some speed up and momentum to get out of the ruts. I managed on my first attempt, and make a large u-turn and pointed the X-Trail towards the entry/exit to the beach. Rather than risk getting bogged in the ruts and the slight incline, I decided to keep the right-side wheels in the existing left-side rut, and make a new rut with the left wheel. I put it in 2nd gear (auto trans) and used approx 50% acceleration. This worked up to about 20m short of the exit, where it felt like it was starting to bog-down (I assume the engine was nearing it's torque limit as there was no sand flying around which would indicate I was losing traction and digging the wheels into the sand). I stopped and put it into reverse and took another go at it; this time I got about 5m further than previous attempt, and when I stopped, another 4WD was entering the beach where I was trying to get off. I reversed again and let him out, and took another go. Third attempt I got another 5m again, and 4th attempt I made it onto the slightly-firmer sand of the track and got out safely. Clare had the camera all that time but only took photos while entering the beach up until where I stopped to level-out the ruts.


The second sand driving trip was alot more eventful...

My mate in his Mazda Tribute (auto trans, 6cylinder, part-time AWD with rear-wheel drive as main drive) led the way after I suggested taking the easier-looking of the already-made trails in the easy sand dunes which were partly-covered in vegetation (I know you're not supposed to drive on vegetation, but the track was well-worn). I used AUTO 4WD mode this time. We got perhaps about 1km along, and he stopped, and we had a look and just over a slight crest the track merged into a much deeper rutted track made of much softer sand (and no vegetation) as we had seen earlier. I was about 50m behind him so I stayed there to allow him to perform a 5-point turn which he successfully completed without incident and with my guidance while standing nearby. He came down the slight incline and to my side, to allow me to go up and attempt the same manouvre. I was not as lucky; with the combination of him already digging-up the sand, and my chunky BFG's (not deflated, as again I didn't want to wait half an hour plus to re-inflate them), and last but not least, the fact that I had reversed slightly too far and went up a mound, which caused two opposite wheels to have less weight on them, thus digging the sand completely out and become airborne when the suspension dropped to full length. I had already switched to 4WD LOCK mode for this manouvre. Luckily I had already fore-seen such an event likely to happen and it was simply a matter of getting my mate to reverse back up the slight incline and attach the snatch strap and drag me out. The reason I said "drag" and not "snatch" out was because my X-Trail was close to 90 degrees perpendicular to the direction of recovery. I used both the snatch strap and equalizer strap from my rescue kit - only because my mate couldn't get any further up the hill (I think his engine torque must be alot less than the X-Trail!) and attached only to the driver's side tie-down hook. This is highly NOT recommended - especially with a 90 degree load to the hook, which is why I wanted him to drag me instead of snatch me out. After considerable digging of sand out from in front of the wheels and in front of the bash-plate, I turned the steering full-lock to the right, and at the same time, we both moderately accelerated to try and get me out. This took 2 more attempts, with only slight progress, turning my X-Trail around slightly each time. My mate kept saying he wanted to get a run-up (to use the elastic force of the snatch strap), but he agreed against it after I mentioned the consequences of what could happen (tie-down hook or bolts attaching it to chassis break, sending shackle into back of his vehicle, or worse - his wife standing nearby!). After each attempt, we had considerable trouble trying to release the snatch strap from his tow-ball, as we wasn't able to reverse back up the slight incline. It's only now I realised he might've had the air-con turned on, which would've robbed his engine to the torque needed to reverse up the soft sand. We had to dig around his tyres so he could reverse slightly to get the minute amount of slack on the strap needed to unhook it from his tow-ball. By the 4th recovery attempt (and what felt like at least three quarters of an hour later!), the X-Trail was at 45 degrees to the direction of recovery, and we agreed to try snatching this time, and it worked text-book style. We continued down the slight incline to where he was waiting for me before, we detached the recover gear and left.

Unfortunately I didn't get any photos or video due to me getting more and more worried that we might not be able to get the X-Trail out at all (there was no-one else around that we could see on this beach, even though there was about 5 cars in the car-park).


Last edited by basshead, 4/May/2008, 9:37 pm


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Re: More sand driving experiences (bogged again!)


Moral of this story Rich,

Never drive on sand without deflating tyres to low pressure. That is if you don't want to end-up damaging your clutch or burn your engine oil unnecessarily!

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About half-way along the sand-trip, my mate's wife asked if the burning smell (from their Tribute) was normal. I said it shouldn't be anything to worry about, but it could either be their 4WD system (I don't know how the Mazda's system works) or their automatic transmission struggling under the load of the soft sand. I recommended to wait a couple of minutes with it in Park before continuing, which we did.

By damage, I wasn't referring to engine damage - but stress on power steering (ie: boiling power steering fluid at last Stockton trip, and the burning smell I experienced then as well could've either been the transmission or the 4WD system (remember my A/C shut itself off temporarily when the dash temp display was reading over 50 degrees!)

Now just to fix up the code for those photos I tried to attach... They work in Preview mode but not when I submit the editted text. (Yes, I'm using the PC again).

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Last edited by jalalski, 17/Sep/2012, 12:37 pm


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Rich,

The post you made above is corrupted and got a bug in it because you have used some application that is related to your "unique" Amiga dinosaur to post it LOL emoticon

I have copied your pics to your post above which you posted have using a "normal" PC and they're working fine emoticon

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Richard Richard Richard!

Half an hour re inflating tyres is nothing compared to the time and frustration caused by getting bogged. Even the biggest badest 4wd's will get stuck on sand if they are running full tyre pressures!

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Matt, in hind-sight, I must've spent more time being recovered than I would've spent re-inflating the tyres! Next time I'll deflate them and no excuses! Mind you, I still feel deflating them wouldn't have helped in the situation I got bogged. I still don't know which is better - stay full pressure and retain ground clearance, or deflate tyres to get bigger footprint, but with less ground clearance... Probably difficult to experiment with accurately due to our previous experiences with different X-Trail's 4WD system overheating times...

I know you're going to say "get a lift kit" then I wont have to worry about the clearance issues! emoticon


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quote:

basshead wrote:
I know you're going to say "get a lift kit" then I wont have to worry about the clearance issues! emoticon



Or get it rid of the bulky factory muffler for that matter emoticon

P.S. I know you love getting bogged and getting recovered, that would probably explain why you intentionally don't deflate your tyres, as this is not your first time on sand LOL emoticon



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Yeah I'm with Jalal, I think Rich just loves getting bogged and getting his gear out. emoticon

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