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Date Registered: 06-2008
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Tony I was quite disheartened to read your story - you've been put through the mill and left well out of pocket for something that should not be an issue in such a new vehicle.

I fear the clutch in my T31 petrol manual *may* be getting ready to give me grief. I haven't noticed any slippage, but I seldom drive the car and haven't really been looking for it either, but I have noticed a sort of smell you would associate with an overheating engine whenever I stop at the garage at the top of Victoria Pass. The engine is not overheating but I'm wondering if there is a bit of slippage in the clutch causing heat to be generated during the climb up the pass. No problems with a long fast run on the flat or normal driving around town.

This car has only done 12500 km, never been off road, doesn't have a towbar and is driven by an old fart who knows how to drive and has never ever had a clutch problem with any previous car.

Given that Nissan were not interested in honouring your warranty claim I'm thinking that if mine does give up the ghost before I get rid of the car that an aftermarket clutch with solid flywheel would be the way to go - but after reading various threads I'm still not sure if that's even possible. I will wait until I know for sure if there is a problem before I worry about it too much.

Glenn.

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Glenn,
That doesn't sound good, Victoria Pass is steep but you can get a speed of around 60 - 80kms/h up it.
It sounds that its the same smell I was getting, especially when prked in the garage of a night.

My flywheel had turned blue due to excessive heat and it had to be replaced.
There are also no aftermarket clutch/flywheel kits available, trust me, I've been everywhere. Its because of the hydraulic slave cylinder ('Concentric Slave Cylinder') the X trail has taken from a Renault.

My advice would be if it continues to smell, is to take it to Nissan and report it. Unfortunately the only way they can check if it is the clutch is to take the gearbox out.

To give you an idea of what I was charged, and you better be sitting down.

Flywheel -$2077.19
Clutch - $135.96
Presure plate - $ 155.54
Flywheel Bolts - $53.70
Slave Cylinder - $130.09
Clutch fluid - $6.62 +GST
Labour $640.00 ( which I thought was reasonable for pulling a gearbox out)
Oh and GST - $299.69

Grand total of $3296.60

These prices were charged to me at a fleet rate, probably cause I wouldn't give in.
I would hate to think what the retail price would have been.

I hope that you don't have to go through the s#*t I had to with Nissan and the dealer and that your Xy will be Ok.
Hopefully it was just a truck ahead of you that filled your Xy with brake burning smell.

Keep in touch and let us know what happens.

Tony




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Tony

I'll keep an eye on mine and hope it hangs in for a while yet. The really worrying part to me is that you have to replace the clutch/flywheel/slave cylinder etc with original Nissan parts so that you are potentially looking at spending another $3000 plus in another ( every ? ) two years time!

 If your car is a work vehicle at least you can claim some of it back on tax but I'm not in that situation and I simply can't afford to do it.

Hopefully once the clutch failure issue becomes more widely known someone in Australia will develop a decent replacement flywheel/clutch kit. I noticed on one Australian site there is a replacement for the Navara clutch available.

Somewhat co-incidentally there was a story in the motoring section of the Telegraph today of someone who had gone through two clutches in a Hyundai in less than 50 000km ( the first one at 14 000km ) and the reply was that more and more clutch problems are beginning to surface across a range of makes and models - presumably as manufacturers cut cost/quality on components to try and stay profitable.

Anyway I'm glad your issues are all sorted and I'll keep my fingers crossed for you that the new clutch has a longer life than the original.

Glenn.



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Glenn,
All the clutch specialists I went to said that usually it takes 5 years for an aftermarket clutch kit product to appear. This is due to the manufacturer (Nissan), having an agreement with the manufacturer.
I could have got a flywheel made somewhere in Quensland but that would have cost about the same as the genuine one. Being the guinea pig for it, I decided to go with genuine.

I always have the clutch saga in my head every time I get in the car, and always 'smell' the garage when I walk into it. It dampens my love for the Xy from time to time and I hope it doesn't happen again.
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I'm beginning to think I was worrying about nothing with my clutch - There is no slippage that I can detect and the "hot" smell I had before has not recurred.

I think it may just have been the fact that when I noticed it before it was a hot day and Victoria Pass is quite a long steep climb so I guess it's to be expected a bit of heat is generated and noticeable when stopping immediately at the top before the heat has time to dissipate with a bit of easier flat running.

Last time I went up there I gave it a bit more stick than usual and stopped at the top for fuel and there was nothing out of the ordinary heat/smell wise but on a much cooler day than before.

Fingers crossed anyway - I reckon the biggest danger to the health of the X Trail clutch is any sort of low speed off road work where the lack of low range makes slipping the clutch pretty much unavoidable in some circumstances.
I guess Nissan has you over a barrel a bit if you take your car to them with any sort of clutch complaint under warranty. They have to pull the gearbox out to see what's wrong and then there's your car at the dealers in a million pieces with them saying no warranty, due to driver abuse and what are you going to do?

Anyway since I don't venture more offroad than an occasional dirt road these days I'll just drive as I always have and hopefully if the time comes to replace the clutch there will be some aftermarket alternatives around.

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Hi all,

Jalalski has kindly directed me to this thread to ask my questions. (I was mistaken in starting a new thread... oooops!) I was wondering if there have been any developments or aftermarket clutch kits for a T30?

I'm in Melbourne and i have a Manual 2002 Ti. The car has served me well and I love it to bits. It takes me fishing everywhere and is always up for a road trip. Unfortunately I have had my share of mechanical woes. Front arm bushes are always buggering. My exhaust manifold has been replaced twice! and a list of other weak parts failing.

Next on the list is my clutch. Its slipping quite badly now and it has to be replaced immediately. Stupidly I didnt do much research into the cost of replacing a clutch on an exy....till now. (previously I smugly thought to myself how much cheaper it was than a subaru) I have been quoted around 4k!!!! Apparently the labor costs are insane and its a bugger to get done. Has anyone else replaced their clutch and whats the best way to go about it? I was just told today and its too late to ring around now. I will make calls tomorrow. I did a search on the forum but came up with little.

Should I source a clutch kit myself and find someone to fit it? (lowest cost of course) As I said im in Melbourne, does anyone know of a good repairer that wont rip me off? Also does anyone have suggestions on where to source a clutch kit? My local muffler shop are crooks. (literally) Also the Ultratune around the corner from them are just as bad. I have the car at a reputable and good mechanic at the moment in Greensborough. Im just wondering how others have dealt with this without throwing money at a 8 year old car.

Thanks in advance

-Dan

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Hi Dan,
Yes you are going to be up for a couple of grand worth of work.
If you buy an aftermarket clutch, you will end up paying quite a bit less.

I suggest go to a specialist brake and clutch shop. Here in NSW they are everywhere, I am assuming the same in Victoria.

For a T30, you will end up paying around $1000 in labour and around $1200 - $1600 in the clutch itself, depending on whether you stick to the original flywheel or choose a soild flywheel.

If I were you Dan, shop around, and get the best price you can. Even ask a clutch shop about recomending a mechanic themselves.
Most brake and clutch shops can do the install anyway.

Hope this helps.

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Thanks for the reply cooch.

I will pick up my car today as I had them do a service on it and quote for the clutch. I will have them cost it out for me as I cant see how it can cost 4k. $1200 for the clutch and 28 hours labor?? Impossible. I will just shop around and see what I can do. Bit dissapointing that its such a bugger to get it done on an X-Trail.

Also if anyone knows of some decent clutch places in melbourne could you please pm me!!

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Hi Folks
Our T30 exy ( plated 12/03) has now done approx 182,000 kms & now needs a clutch replacement as a friend mechanic said following recent service & I have noticed slipping etc. recently. My wife generally drives it to work & my drives in it are limited. Do we pay approx $3-4k for a replacement clutch or trade it in /sell it. Trade in value would only be max $10-15k may be. My feelings are get rid of it & buy another T31 X-trail.
Wife is unsure what to do. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Tow a small boat & very occasionally go off road or beach driving. Very happy with the X-trail & its comforts & performance.

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Hi Dennis,

Keep it mate and get an aftermarket clutch kit. You will be shocked by the trade value for your ST as was I for my chrome beast. You will get $8K max for yours trade-in which is not worth it for a car you already know. That of course depends on your budget for buying a new car.

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