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Date Registered: 09-2005
Location: Wishart Queensland
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That still didn't impress me mate....it just feels like a heavy Russian tank compared to the T30 LOL emoticon



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No problems getting from A to B either, but it doesn't put a smile on my face like the T30 used to emoticon

Oh well, the wife likes it and that's what matters emoticon



I agree 100% with these comments.

T30 was definitely more nifty and responsive. I know I'm getting old but sometimes I feel like an old man cruising in the left lane unaware he's holding the traffic up for miles behind him. Not that it is slow by any means, just seems like it is. emoticon

I'd have my old car back anyday if my son would give it back. emoticon



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Date Registered: 02-2004
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Hey Jamie, am sure Cody won't mind the swap either LOL emoticon

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Date Registered: 06-2008
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Jalal,
Maybe it's time to start doing some engine mods then, piggy back ECU, extractors. lol.
I think the CVT holds it back quite a bit as I found the manual to be perky and alive.

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Date Registered: 02-2004
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No engine mods for the Red Bull mate.

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My Xtrail is a 2WD with 2.5L petrol engine only. I'm not saying it's slow, it actually accelerates really well act but you just can't feel it accelerating very fast. The CVT is more for a chauffeur driven style than a driver's style. If you have a driver, it really feels good riding in it and you will fall asleep really fast with the smoothness and quiet cabin.=)
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Date Registered: 05-2010
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I remember test driving an old citroen back in the 80's - the one with the floaty suspension and streamlined shape.

Accelerated off from the lights and it felt like a real barge until I noticed I had well and truly left everyone behind and was doing an insane speed (that I had no sensation of).

You can't really judge performance from feel. Let's face it - No-One here is a calibrated human unit.

The T31 is a very different car from the T30. Weighs more, Smoooooth CVT, probably a bit more power etc etc.

Wondering if there are any drags between the two on youtube??? off I go : : : :

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2 X T30s (One is Jalal I believe - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvtLDeJ_fAg )
Winner 15.8 secs 1/4 mile - 140km/h
Jalal in non-turbo 17.3 secs - 129km/h

Respectable times but Not all that fast - IMHO

A T31 1/4 mile time would end all this - anyone know???? (I suspect around 18 seconds)

Suggest you jump straight to the 1:40 mark;


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Sorry mate, not the right thread to talk about drag racing and a drag race doesn't really prove anything in terms of comparing power between a T30 and a T31.

Both of the T30 xtrails in the video above (one of which was my T30) are modified vehicles and have plenty of performance mods.

The times are indeed respectable and FAST for a SUV like a T30, especially the turbo-charged one.

Taking a standard T31 to a drag race won't achieve anything and won't change my mind about it lacking power.

Apart from the fact that it has less horse power than the T30 series 1 straight off the bat, the lack of power is not only attributed to its heavy weight, but the major restrictions they have programmed into the ECU.

I personally can judge the performance of the T31 CVT by feel, simply because I have driven a T30 (stock standard) for a while and know how it felt, so I don't need a drag race or a dyno to prove that fact for me....the T31 CVT is indeed under-powered when compared to a standard T30 Series 1.

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Date Registered: 02-2011
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Hi to All,
           One of my guys at work is looking at a SUV, can't convince him on the Xtrail after some of the things he has read. He is looking at a Mitsubishi ASX and still has reservations about the CVT. I seen a page on the web where Mitsubishi has taken customer feedback and general dissatisfaction with CVT performance, and is releasing new CVT software with models in August. I have searched hi and low since to find the article but still haven't. As we said in previous posts, if you can give it more than 10% throttle off the mark, it's brilliant, if you can't, your a moving roadblock. Some days I find myself using manual mode more and more. Allow the engine to deliver torque at the right revs and select the gears manually, you have a vehicle that will out qualify all others around it. First, second and third seem fairly close in ratio making the gear change between them is almost as smooth as normal CVT.
 The CVT was engineered and programmed to deliver the best fuel economy possible for the overseas standards. I cant understand why then manual owners aren't subject to the same standard and adding piggy back ECU's wont change the internal mapping of the CVT software. The torque converter lock up that Peter spoke of earlier, doesn't seem to occur as early in manual mode, just my opinion, allowing smoother starts as well.

John

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Date Registered: 06-2008
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 I cant understand why then manual owners aren't subject to the same standard
John



It is almost impossible for this to happen John as it is the driver that depicts the gear, acceleration and time per gear, no ECU can override this.

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Date Registered: 05-2010
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Sorry mate, not the right thread to talk about drag racing and a drag race doesn't really prove anything in terms of comparing power between a T30 and a T31.

Both of the T30 xtrails in the video above (one of which was my T30) are modified vehicles and have plenty of performance mods.

The times are indeed respectable and FAST for a SUV like a T30, especially the turbo-charged one.

Taking a standard T31 to a drag race won't achieve anything and won't change my mind about it lacking power.

Apart from the fact that it has less horse power than the T30 series 1 straight off the bat, the lack of power is not only attributed to its heavy weight, but the major restrictions they have programmed into the ECU.

I personally can judge the performance of the T31 CVT by feel, simply because I have driven a T30 (stock standard) for a while and know how it felt, so I don't need a drag race or a dyno to prove that fact for me....the T31 CVT is indeed under-powered when compared to a standard T30 Series 1.



Whoa - with respect lighten up a bit emoticon

The T31 may not be as zippy as a T30 (that has conventional responsive auto transmission at least) but it does get moving really well in Manual Mode and also in Drive if you use judicious accelerator. I must agree that in "Normal driving" I took forever to get used to the woeful responsiveness and almost stalling behaviour - but eventually discovered it's two-faced personality and now know it is no slouch - we just have to figure out how to drive it.

Agree less power (169 Horsepower, down from 177 Horsepower) and more weight must make you yearn for the T30 performance but . . . .


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