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Date Registered: 08-2013
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Re: Nudge Bars & Bullbars for the new X-Trail T31


PS sorry for the rant and don't mean to offend any one. I also want to add that I can't warrant the use of the winch as I don't have it installed yet. However having said that I have every faith that if and when I do use it the front of the car will not be "pulled off" as suggested.
Cheers and will put up some pics when I am next at a computer its just to hard on to do on the mobile.
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Date Registered: 12-2013
Location: Mt Isa, QLD
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Hi All,

I will try to upload a photo of my 63mm ECB nudge bar which is simply in front of the radiator. It holds 2 x 220mm Spotties and my 20" LED bar on top. When I upload the photos hopefully tonight you will see I have used 2 x GME UHF mounting brackets on my polished nudge bar so that I may take my LED bar off in the future if I wish (for some unknown reason).

Yes my accessories cost twice the amount of the cost to install the nudge bar but what of it? It still provide enough protection for what I need it for and perfect to house the accessories I wanted to put on the front of the bar.

Lastly, yes you will get some glare/reflection off the top of the polished one but only when the sun is high like middayish. I've driven on a number of occasions from sun up to sun down with stopping travelling directly east and west and can say the only time I notice the glare is around lunch time :-) which is an excuse to pull over. I have seen some Pajeros (amongst other vehicles too) with polished bars bars that have like a Matte black type plastic covering on the top half which I would imagine would eliminate the glare. But then why get a polished bar only to cover it up? Alternatively you might be able to use a plastic contact such as the one people generally applying to the tops of their style side trays to prevent scratching. I haven't tried this but this may reduce the glare without taking away the polished look. Lastly once more, apart from selecting an alternate toning of the bar like hammertone you may place an accessory such as a LED bar which may keep you happy.

Should you wish to see photos sooner rather than later (as I'm still learning about photobucket which doesn't like my Apple iPad) then you can pm me your email and I can send them directly emoticon

Hope that helps,
Ben

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quote:

Buggs wrote:
Before you get too carried away Jalal .



I think you meant Tony emoticon as I said nothing about your set-up and the "potential" winch self install but I agree with what Tony said by 100% and should you ever need to have claim done through the insurance and they discover that this was a self install and self-modified addition, there is a VERY high chance of them refusing your claim because of it

You will not only void the manufacturer's warranty of the bulbar, but you will also void any compliance certificates that came along with it....mainly airbag compliance, as your set-up will no longer be a standard one Tuff can guarantee.

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Date Registered: 05-2012
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don't mean to offend any one



And you haven't.

Personally, I'm always interested in modifications to the status quo.

It would be Un-Australian not to modify things to suit your purpose and merely rely upon Legislation to do everything to protect you even when you don't want to be protected.

As you say, your modifications are at your own risk. I see no problem with that.

Logically, the single tow out point at the front of the T31 would be weaker than a bullbar mounted central tow-point (the winch has the same effect as it is effectively a centralised pull point)

The problem may lie in the lack of chassis in the Exy.

The off centre tow point is aligned with one of the strongest parts of the car.

To pull a standard Exy from the centre would make it go bug eyed very quickly. Nothing to pull from except plastic and the cross bar. Bend that and the car will never be the same again.

So the bullbar itself needs to be the strongest part of the car if it is to be used as the tow point.

If it is intrinsically strong enough not to deform from a hard forward pull, then it will not pass the Y shaped compressing force to the mount points ( to make them go cross-eyed).

As such, that seems to be an advantage.

It won't be covered by warranty but that is a matter of choice.

I reckon Everyone should have free choice (unless that choice harms another person)

{ a bit like the 3 laws of robotics by Isaac Asimov }

Born without a chassis (bone structure), the Exy can maybe benefit ( like insects) from an exoskeleton to give strength.


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It would be Un-Australian not to modify things to suit your purpose and merely rely upon Legislation to do everything to protect you even when you don't want to be protected.

As you say, your modifications are at your own risk. I see no problem with that.

I reckon Everyone should have free choice (unless that choice harms another person)



The above statements do NOT apply when we are talking about possible impact, even the slightest to the most important safety feature of the car...being the airbags!

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Date Registered: 08-2011
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I originally looked at getting a hitch mount winch cradle and modifying it so that I could screw it into the front tow point. To my mind it would have been exactly the same stresses towing from that point as being towed from that point.

Mounting a winch on a bull bar that is attached to both sides of the front impact bar will induce stresses that are completely different to those that occur using the tow point. I really hope you have pulled apart the front end and found the weak spots that will be impacted. Good luck with it. I hope it works for you.

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Date Registered: 02-2014
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ECB Big Tube


Updated pics plus driver's view on my member's ride thread:

http://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/t131855,offset=50#post2082987

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I originally looked at getting a hitch mount winch cradle and modifying it so that I could screw it into the front tow point. To my mind it would have been exactly the same stresses towing from that point as being towed from that point.



I agree.

It should work but would be butt-ugly.
For a central mount, my process of logic is this:

The bullbar is mounted on two points, not one.
Each point has its break-away to allow airbag operation with detected - G deceleration.

Bullbars are tested to give similar deceleration to the body of the car to enable SRS deployment.

All of that depend on the mount point - not the bullbar itself as it is the force to the mount point which is transmitted through the car to set off the SRS airbags.

So, an approved bullbar has 2 pull points for the winch which are roughly in line with what passes as a frame for the car.

Assuming the cross-section of the bullbar distributes 50% of the force (in and out) onto the two mount points, then a centrally located winch would distribute the load over that greater area.

Naturally, the cross member structure of the bullbar would need to be able to cope with whatever the screw in towpoint is designed to take but there are twice as many points of force for the bullbar.

Tow pressure is divided over the whole front of the cars two mount points rather than one asymmetrical point.

Half the pressure at each point.

Does anyone know what that would be before the screw in towpoint pulled out?

Assuming a conservative 2 tonne pull to each of the mount pints of a bullbar, we have 2x2=4t at the winch.

There might be some gaping holes in my logic but two points looks better than one & if I'm wrong, I'm always pleased to be shown a better way of doing something.



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Hi Guys,

I think this discussion about winches is better shifted to an existing thread on this topic which can be found HERE. Thanks

Feel free to copy your posts about the winch modification (and other related ideas) to the above thread.

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Date Registered: 01-2013
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Hey all,

Well finally i made my mind up on what to get for the front end of the Xtrail.

I went with the ECB Big Tube Bar in silver hammertone colour.

It came with the fog lights installed along with led sidelights, indicators and a mounting position for an aerial.

I'm really happy with the outcome, and so glad I chose that colour over polished finish.

Few photos:

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