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Date Registered: 02-2008
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I have a ECB nudge bar fitted and I can say it can take a knock from a kangaroo.

The Kangaroo hit on the left hand side of the nudge and then went slightly under the car and what saved me there was my steel bash plate.

Again it just comes down to personal choice.

Regards Scot

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Date Registered: 05-2010
Location: Adelaide
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It's really interesting that when I put a decent bull bar on my Kingswood!!! (in the 1970's - HG 6cyl Fat tires - killed it by driving at 90mph for 6 hours coming back to Adelaide) and spent many years driving all over the outback of NSW, the only part of the car that was never damaged or even hit by anything was the bull bar!!!

The only damage was scuffed paint caused by my fiancées grandfather banging mud off his shovel during a Darling River flood - I was not pleased!!!

Not saying don't fit one though - it's safer to stay mobile in remote areas after hitting something.

These days I'm happy with using bright driving lights pointing out quite a bit and driving really mindfully according to conditions (ie high growth by road - drive SLOW if the hoppies are about). In 40 years of driving all over have never actually hit a roo or anything else substancial - worst was a flock of galahs that dive bombed me on the Hay Plains.

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Date Registered: 02-2012
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Who's a happy little vegemite - pick me, pick me.
With a lot of emails and phone calls to Tuff and Nissan. Nissan have said the Tuff bullbar is OK with them, but to get the car checked out in case the weight has lowered the front end, as might have to get something done to it, if this is the case.
I was told the weight of the bullbar is 65kg and complies with all standards, and that a certificate of compliance would be supplied.
Apparently in Western Australia, there seems to be a bit of a problem, as they keep getting pulled over. By showing the paper work - all is ok. I suppose the police over there will get used to seeing them eventually.
I was going for the ECB Arc bar, but no provisions for the fog lights, whereas Tuff do. It is the cost of the Tuff that is a bit off putting though,
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Excellent stuff Allan and thanks for confirming that Tuff bullbars are compliant and Nissan are happy with them as well.

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That's fantastic.

I had actually written quite a rant (unlike me!!!) about the weight of the bar etc etc untill I decided to check out the Tuff web site and saw all is compliant and they are alloy bars.

I think the mention of the bash plate by freewill1 is interesting - might make it possible to select a bar from Tuff that doesn't have so much of the lower portion - bit like what you see on HiLux's etc.

Together with a bash plate (I have one and would swear by it for protection) a leaner bar would weigh a little less and be more pratical.

Be aware that:
Any Bullbar etc that is AirBag Compliant will fold and crumple like the front of a car because that is the way they comply.

There is some argument that you are better off these days (with a modern car) to have something small like a nudge bar because they actually cause LESS damage than a full bull bar and the car is often more drivable after an impact than when a full bull bar is fitted.

Modern plastic bumpers are often designed to bend and deform when hit and to spring abck often to original shape - pedestrian survival being the design criteria and the front critical elements of the car are thereby protected to some extent.

I would say that if you want full protection from an impact with a cow, kangaroo, sheep the buy a 4wd with a full chassis and fit an old style steel bullbar; problem is with these setups there is no protection for occupants in a collision and they often die whereas in a car that has front crumple zones and airbags people more often survive.

It's a difficult situation but I know I am safer in a ncap 5 star XTrail than in an older vehicle or an incorrectly modified XTRail. It seems if you keep the safety and you hit a roo or sheep the front will be damaged somewhat, but the car more drivable afterwoods with a factory nudge bar than with a full seemingly awesome looking bullbar that will crumple anyway and damage the car more than if it wasn't there.

Tests in 4WD action and elsewhere have proven this.

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I would like to thank Translucidus for the information given. Well done, technically informative and straight to the point.
I am going ahead with the Tuff bullbar, it's expensive, but I have a gut feeling it's going to be worth it.
I am really happy with the way "Tuff" have given me the information I wanted for my new X-Trail as I did not want to ruin my warranty. Tuff gave me a contact in South Australia and it flowed smoothly from there.
It's probably going to take 4 to 6 weeks before fitting, as has to be manufactured in Queensland and sent to SA.
At this point, a very happy chappy.
Will let you all know how it all went.
Thanks,
Allan
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Allan,

You may also want to consider the ECB Full Bullbar which was recently posted by a new member to the forum and can be seen on the ECB website HERE.

Unlike other bullbars, the ECB one seems to keep the factory front bumper un-cut, whereas other bullbars will have the bottom half of the bumper cut-off.

ECB bullbars are fully compliant.

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Thanks jalalski, yes it is correct that ECB do not have to cut the bumper. I asked them about the fog lights and they gave me a different bullbar to look at as Arc bar cannot accommodate fog lights
I wanted the Arc Bar - but they cannot fit fog lights. This was way heaps cheaper than Tuff, but Tuff fit fog lights. It's a shame ECB cannot and will not.
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The ARC bar is not an ECB bar, it is made by Barjo who ECB bought-out a couple of years ago, so it is an old design bullbar that requires cutting the bumper and doesn't have provisions for foglights unlike the new design ECB bullbar I showed you. Considering the function of the factory fog lights is more cosmestic than practical (unless you upgrade the bulbs), I wouldn't have based my purchase decision on this factor alone.

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Date Registered: 02-2012
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Thanks everyone for your input on bars. It is so interesting. I thought a nudge bar after reading about them in a forum would be useless and like the name suggest "nudge bar"
Then I read about a roo hit with a nudge bar and all is OK.
I suppose it depends on a lot of factors at the time, like a front on hit, (centre), (to the side), speed you are going, the weight of the animal etc., etc.
So, I based my interpretation of the best bar by looking at the "Barjo" and the "Tuff", I chose Tuff for (1) There are gussets to the verticals. (2) There are vertical posts as against pipe. (3) The bottom bars may help a bit in an animal strike and also are probably strengtheners overall. (4) Lastly, Tuff fit the fog lights, which I need.
But whatever I say here, if an animal strike happens, it's going to stuff up and bend the bar anyway to be compliant with the air bags I suppose. And probably will not be able to drive anyway.
Love some info here - please. Good or Bad.


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