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Can't complain about that, Where from Matt?

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Hi Matt,

Are you they have carried-out the 80K service and followed the service schedule?

The 80K is a major service and involves much more than what you have listed (see details HERE).

I doubt that was the 80K service and they probably done the interim one instead.

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Yes, they did, because the gearbox oil was done and it took over an hour longer than last time. No air filter is needed because of the K&N. Most of that stuff was extra inspect and they took less time than the brochure you provided.

The service book you outline has a T30 picture and no mention of a CVT, which is the reason, I think, for CVT failures early on (and occasionally now), complacancy in the thinking a T31 with a CVT is like any Nissan gearbox to the point of just wacking normal ATF in them.

At the end of the day, I am happy with what they have done, the products they use and as I am out of warranty, I now maintain and modify the Xtrail basically how I see fit. I am capable of and responsible enough to maintain my car, boat, truck, lawnmower etc in a manner that doesnt need to pay an 'expert' to check basic items such as wiper blades or seat belt buckles. I deal with a mechanic to do what is needed according to the car, its service guide, my mechanics opinion and me as the customer, not a brochure or what a mechanic can get away with such as charging for deodoriser or sump plug washers.

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The service schedule provided applies to both T30 Auto and T31 CVT models.

The 80K service involves changing the engine coolant, so it is not only about changing the gear and engine oil, that's why it is called a major service. Nissan would also check for any ECU software updates at the same time and upload it to your ECU as part of the major service.

I have nothing against independent mechanics doing the service, provided they follow the service schedule and have access to the tools and diagnostic equipment to be able to service and trouble-shoot. Otherwise, I might as well changing the oils in my own driveway.

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The service schedule provided applies to both T30 Auto and T31 CVT models.

The 80K service involves changing the engine coolant, so it is not only about changing the gear and engine oil, that's why it is called a major service.



I just had a look at my service book and there is nothing about replacing the coolant in the radiator, only to check the level.
Maybe the T30 and T31 services are different.

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Tony,

I do believe the service books you guys received with the T31s are based on the European maintenance schedule (rather than the Australian one) which starts servicing the T31 from 15,000kms and then every 15,000kms after that. I believe Nissan Australia's warranty mentions that the car must be serviced every 10,000kms or 6 months (whichever comes first).

That is why there is NO 80K service in the ESM when I look at it and it jumps from 75K service to 90K service (where they advise to change the coolant).

This is what I got from the T31 ESM just now about the engine coolant replacement:


First replace at 90,000 Km (54,000 miles)/60 months, then every 60,000 km (36,000 miles)/48 months. Perform "I" (Checking the mixture ratio and correcting the mixture ratio if necessary) at the middle of replacement interval.


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The book is stamped Nissan Australia and the first service is 1000km, then 5000, 10000 and rises in increments of 5000kms.

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You are totally wrong Jalal,

Our book is as Tony said and you have contridicted youself in saying the guide you provided is right for T30s and T31s and when you state below the T31's first coolant change is 90000km.

I am confident in my mechanics servicing more so than the Nissan servicing I have experienced. You state the Nissan service would do computer updates but a couple of weeks ago I asked around to get the cruise control patch and they claimed it doesnt exist (see the thread on T31 CC issues). The diognostics computer didnt help much in Scots recent problems either.

I have also learned a few things about CVTs ( I researched the oil before my service as I am now running non genuine CVT oil) that i will put in the right place when I have time but it is basically a servicing problem Nissan wont admit.

I will only replace fluids in my car according to the products instructions and not a cars service book or glossy brochure that has no association with the product I use.

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Matt,

You have misunderstood what I said and I have not contradicted myself at all, the extract I showed you is from the Electronic Service Manual obtained from Euro and it shows a maintenance schedule with 15,000kms intervals between one service and another, which is obviously isn't the case in Australia. Therefore the ESM recommendation to have the coolant changed at the 90,000kms service would translate to having it done at the 75K or 80K for Australian xtrails like it is the case with the T30 models, but Nissan Australia may have decided to have the coolant last another 10K and change it at 90K service interval.

The following from the ESM will make it clearer for you I hope (look at the servicel intervals):

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I am happy that you're happy with your mechanic, but the point remains that he doesn't have access to a diagnostic equipment, so any error codes that you may have or may get in the future, he won't be able to help you with, so if you're happy to pay him for oil changes and other non-electronic maintenance, that's fine.

The advice I always give, service your Nissan wherever you want for all service intervals, except the major ones, which are best done at the dealerships (and there are only 4 of them that are major)

RE: CVT Issues, not a servicing problems at all. A faulty part during the manufacturing process. I don't think every Nissan dealer where the CVT is available around the world and which had this problem has a "servicing problem" based on what you say. But yeah, use genuine CVT oil to be on the safe side for sure. The recommendation to use genuine NS-2 CVT oil is also included in the above service schedule screen-shots.

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Jalal

The first Euro sheet you just posted says engine oil changes and filters every 30,000kms, air filter 60,000km and so on, you can service the red bull to these schedules, I sure the hell aint servicing my car that way. As Australia is considered extreme driving conditions our service schedule is different. Your first service brouchure in this conversation has a completely different schedule to the one you just posted (thus your contridiction) and the one sitting in the glovebox of my Xtrail (with my wife at work so I cant access it for about a day) supplied by Nissan Australia when the car was sold. The last of these is the one I will follow.

Secondly how did you translate a 75000km/80,000km service for radiator fluid, by assumption? I will change my fluids as per manufacturers recommendations as different quality radiator fluids are available to suit different climates and driving conditions. If I move to Perisher from tropical NSW next week I will change my radiator fluid immeadiatly to suit sub zero temperatures.

Thirdly the DIY guides in this forum can provide me with that info from error codes.

Lastly I am not giving advise to anyone about when to service their car as I am not a Licensed mechanic, I am reporting to a forum what I have done so notes can be shared amongst actual owners of a model of car, in 20,000km I will discover (and you guys if I post it) if non genuine CVT oil (you didnt read my post proprly either) works fine or not. This may be benefitial information for actual owners of T31's with CVTs on this forum.

Now, I hope, it is clearer to you my position on this matter and you may want to read the information correctly you aquire. I am guided by Nissan Australias service manual, prior experience from 20 years of owning, maintaining and driving cars, SUVs, skid steer loaders, small trucks, road & trail bikes, tractors, and numerous other toys and expert advice from a LICENCED Auto Mechanic not googled Euro information that half applies.



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