No Such Thing as A\T Tyres for X-Trails https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/t125446 Runboard| No Such Thing as A\T Tyres for X-Trails en-us Fri, 29 Mar 2024 06:42:05 +0000 Fri, 29 Mar 2024 06:42:05 +0000 https://www.runboard.com/ rssfeeds_managingeditor@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds managing editor) rssfeeds_webmaster@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds webmaster) akBBS 60 Re: No Such Thing as AT Tyres for X-Trailshttps://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2097538,from=rss#post2097538https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2097538,from=rss#post2097538In Qld the maximum increase of only 15mm makes it very hard. So I bought a set of 16 inch rims and putting BFG all terrains on them. The S speed rating makes them legal. Every Q rated tyre is off the menu on the Xtrail. Not easy eh.nondisclosed_email@example.com (RGP37)Fri, 12 Jun 2020 18:59:34 +0000 Re: No Such Thing as AT Tyres for X-Trailshttps://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2097467,from=rss#post2097467https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2097467,from=rss#post2097467hi i just put 17 inch rims on my xtrail with 235/65/17 nondisclosed_email@example.com (nigeldenny1)Sun, 17 May 2020 02:55:24 +0000 Re: No Such Thing as AT Tyres for X-Trailshttps://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2092374,from=rss#post2092374https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2092374,from=rss#post2092374Many people have them on their Xtrails. I have a series I T30 with 225/70/16 Geolandarsnondisclosed_email@example.com (Revhead Kev)Thu, 20 Oct 2016 06:52:28 +0000 Re:https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2092373,from=rss#post2092373https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2092373,from=rss#post2092373Another quick question from a noob here - couldn't find a definite answer in the thread. I am contemplating getting a set of 225/70/r16 a/ts for my T30 Ti (ii)(probably BFGs). Would they fit the factory 16inch alloys? I will be getting a coil spring lift as well. Cheers!nondisclosed_email@example.com (Vadermort)Wed, 19 Oct 2016 21:05:07 +0000 Re: off road rim/tire optionshttps://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2079463,from=rss#post2079463https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2079463,from=rss#post2079463My T31 came with 17 rims and was hopeless on bumpy dirt roads (2 punchures one wend) Took some advise from this site and bought some factory second hand 16 alloys off gumtree which had been fitted with Desert Dullers, 215/70-16. They are great, a bit more sidewall depth and diameter. Good second set for off road work. I am now getting rid of them as am buying a second vehicle, 4x4. Can't use the classifieds so will have to list them elsewhere. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Xtraildude)Sun, 24 Nov 2013 20:19:44 +0000 Re: Re:https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2077271,from=rss#post2077271https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2077271,from=rss#post2077271quote:cooch t31 wrote: Hey mate, have a look at this thread. It has all tyre sizes, types and price of what members have on the Xy's. Cheers again I just got the green light to buy new tyres and rims so I'm on the search nondisclosed_email@example.com (Stretchamaximus)Tue, 27 Aug 2013 19:53:05 +0000 Re:https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2077235,from=rss#post2077235https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2077235,from=rss#post2077235Hey mate, have a look at this thread. It has all tyre sizes, types and price of what members have on the Xy's.nondisclosed_email@example.com (cooch t31)Tue, 27 Aug 2013 05:34:58 +0000 Re: No Such Thing as A\T Tyres for X-Trailshttps://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2077226,from=rss#post2077226https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2077226,from=rss#post2077226Ok so I've decided I am going to get some all terrains for my xtrail, have been reading this forum about it. And am unsure if I just wanna find some old xtrail 16 inch rims or get some skyline rims. It won't be going fully hectic off road as that's what my work cars are for lol.. I'm really liking the BFG 225/70 r16 look, but was wondering what sort of money are people paying for the tyres? I live an hour out of melb and trying to work out it would be beneficial to drive the little bit further to save a couple of dollars? So in short - who's running BFG's and how much did they cost? Cheers forum mates nondisclosed_email@example.com (Stretchamaximus)Mon, 26 Aug 2013 19:42:19 +0000 Re:https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2076704,from=rss#post2076704https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2076704,from=rss#post2076704i too would love to know. I could get a set of 235/60/17 or 225/65/17 engineered. My lease and insurance company would be happy nondisclosed_email@example.com (konazz)Wed, 07 Aug 2013 10:09:32 +0000 Re: Re:https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2076611,from=rss#post2076611https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2076611,from=rss#post2076611quote:JMascorella wrote: I fit the Cooper AT3 235/60/17 to my t31 diesel. They are 19mm larger, which makes then illegal. I took them to an engineer and for $400 they are now legal on my car. The guy was very helpful and professional. They fit perfectly and run perfectly. The speedo was fine and braking hasn't changed (I think it's better). Worked for me! what state are you in?nondisclosed_email@example.com (maxgmoore)Sat, 03 Aug 2013 21:28:00 +0000 Re: No Such Thing as A\T Tyres for X-Trailshttps://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2076609,from=rss#post2076609https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2076609,from=rss#post2076609What checks did he use to determine if they were legal apart from a spedo check? Is it worth that sort of money and did he issue a written certificate which can be presented upon request in case of a vehicle police check?nondisclosed_email@example.com (johnsey)Sat, 03 Aug 2013 20:10:10 +0000 Re:https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2076589,from=rss#post2076589https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2076589,from=rss#post2076589I fit the Cooper AT3 235/60/17 to my t31 diesel. They are 19mm larger, which makes then illegal. I took them to an engineer and for $400 they are now legal on my car. The guy was very helpful and professional. They fit perfectly and run perfectly. The speedo was fine and braking hasn't changed (I think it's better). Worked for me! nondisclosed_email@example.com (JMascorella)Sat, 03 Aug 2013 07:21:38 +0000 Re:https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2066323,from=rss#post2066323https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2066323,from=rss#post2066323There's not many A/T tyres available in an 18' size, so you will pay a premium for them. Post a pic when you can, luv to see them.nondisclosed_email@example.com (cooch t31)Tue, 11 Sep 2012 05:40:13 +0000 Re:https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2066321,from=rss#post2066321https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2066321,from=rss#post2066321hey guys i cant remember what i started with i think it was a 225/55 r18 but after a bit of shopping round i got my self a A/T 255/55 R18 was a bit costly 350 per tyer but ill double check the size tomorrow and correct it if im wrong it isa larger size tyer but has not changed the way my car handles or the speed it travels at.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Xtrail Thunder)Mon, 10 Sep 2012 23:42:01 +0000 Re: Re:https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2066077,from=rss#post2066077https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2066077,from=rss#post2066077quote:cooch t31 wrote: If you have NSW plates then you won't have issues driving into other states with mods that might be illegal. As long as you don't take up residency. Good to know, thanks cooch nondisclosed_email@example.com (bobnrob)Mon, 03 Sep 2012 22:14:32 +0000 Re:https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2066062,from=rss#post2066062https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2066062,from=rss#post2066062If you have NSW plates then you won't have issues driving into other states with mods that might be illegal. As long as you don't take up residency.nondisclosed_email@example.com (cooch t31)Mon, 03 Sep 2012 19:36:54 +0000 Re: No Such Thing as A\T Tyres for X-Trailshttps://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2066047,from=rss#post2066047https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2066047,from=rss#post2066047Curious... So if I have tyres that are legal in NSW (or other states), but illegal in QLD, where do I stand if I get pulled over? Are we suppose to run out & buy tyres per state before holidaying? And what about those who live in border towns? nondisclosed_email@example.com (bobnrob)Mon, 03 Sep 2012 10:22:20 +0000 Re: No Such Thing as A\T Tyres for X-Trailshttps://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2064329,from=rss#post2064329https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2064329,from=rss#post2064329Go straight to the source. Email QLD transport with the tyre make and model and rim size you want to use and ask if legal. Personally I've just recently been told the same. That in QLD A/T tyres are illegal. Although I was told that I could have them fitted if I so choose. IE the onus is on me the driver to ensure my vehicle is roadworthy. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Townsville78 model)Thu, 12 Jul 2012 20:00:04 +0000 Re: No Such Thing as A\T Tyres for X-Trailshttps://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2014547,from=rss#post2014547https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2014547,from=rss#post2014547Y WAIT, Thanks for that. I am planning on putting a set of A/Ts on my exy. Was going to go for 235/65 Geolanders but I just can't get past the look of the BFG's My biggest concern has been the legalities of the change, however reading previous posts in this thread it seems when push comes to shove there are ways are it. nondisclosed_email@example.com (bwm85)Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:54:25 +0000 Re: No Such Thing as A\T Tyres for X-Trailshttps://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2014538,from=rss#post2014538https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2014538,from=rss#post2014538quote:bwm85 wrote:  I was just curious as to why in the BFG in particular users chose the 225 over the 215. 2 reasons really, 225/70 give you a bit of extra ground clearance (almost 20mm!) and i was told by my tyre shop that the 225 is easier to get as its the same size as some other awd cars, apparently they dont bring many 215s into the country. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Y WAIT)Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:32:01 +0000 Re: No Such Thing as A\T Tyres for X-Trailshttps://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2014528,from=rss#post2014528https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2014528,from=rss#post2014528Thanks Jalal, I had a look on the tyre comparitor and saw the same thing. I was just curious as to why in the BFG in particular users chose the 225 over the 215. Cheers Brenton BWM85nondisclosed_email@example.com (bwm85)Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:00:09 +0000 Re: No Such Thing as A\T Tyres for X-Trailshttps://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2014513,from=rss#post2014513https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2014513,from=rss#post2014513Brenton, Actually the 215/70/16 would be more accurate in terms of speedo impact and clearance than the 225 nondisclosed_email@example.com (jalalski)Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:29:37 +0000 Re: No Such Thing as A\T Tyres for X-Trailshttps://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2014506,from=rss#post2014506https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2014506,from=rss#post2014506G'Day All, Is there any particular reason the BFG users in the thread go for the 225/70/16s over the 215/70/16s. Do both tyres still comply with the mathmatics earlier in the thread and people just prefer the extra width and height? Cheers in advance, Brenton bwm85nondisclosed_email@example.com (bwm85)Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:55:40 +0000 Re: No Such Thing as A\T Tyres for X-Trailshttps://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2011940,from=rss#post2011940https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2011940,from=rss#post2011940yeah i just visited 4 tyre places and they said the same. Admin Edit: For sale/swap content removed. Please use the "For Sale" section of the forum for this purpose and please read the forum rules in this regard (no rego plates and no personal emails and phone number)nondisclosed_email@example.com (mjmoo75)Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:47:21 +0000 Re: No Such Thing as A\T Tyres for X-Trailshttps://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2011937,from=rss#post2011937https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2011937,from=rss#post2011937Matt, Have a look at the tyre size calculator HERE Looks like they would be too bignondisclosed_email@example.com (PMcDermott)Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:44:33 +0000 Re: No Such Thing as A\T Tyres for X-Trailshttps://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2011936,from=rss#post2011936https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2011936,from=rss#post2011936hi guy's, Ive just been reading the above thread does anyone know if fitting a set of 225/75-16's would be to big to fit to a set of exy factory alloy's (if a could find a set).they come off my 06 hilux and have 50% still left on them, my 18' arnt to good to 4wd with .....Mattnondisclosed_email@example.com (mjmoo75)Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:47:08 +0000 Re: No Such Thing as A\T Tyres for X-Trailshttps://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2009393,from=rss#post2009393https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2009393,from=rss#post2009393I found this on the tyre size subject, copied from the a quote on the Overlander forum so I do not know the source. The interesting bit is the variation possible in tyre size, and if in doubt take your calculation to the RTA then get agreement first before fitting. quote: The information presented below may not be acceptable to all state regulators. If you are unsure of how your state regulator may interpret their rules, contact them and obtain a response in writing. Keep it handy in case it is required by your insurer. 

 The information below assumes you will retain 16" rims, although this is not necessarily required by regulation. 

We don't know all state regulations yet (pitch in if you can help with facts). However, NSW, QLD, VIC and SA all have a basic limitation on the overall diameter and width for replacement tyres. 

 Paraphrased, and discarding the reference to reducing sizes, the regulations go like this: 

"The maximum increase in overall diameter (OD) that may be fitted is 15 mm greater than the largest wheel & tyre combination provided by the vehicle manufacturer as indicated on the tyre placard affixed to the vehicle. 

 The maximum increase in overall width that may be fitted is 26 mm greater than the largest wheel & tyre combination provided by the vehicle manufacturer as indicated on the tyre placard affixed to the vehicle." 

 The the standard (and only) wheel/tyre combo offered on the Aussie Pathy (to date) is indicated on the placard as a 245/70/16 (on 7jj rims). To covert any such tyre code into an OD in millimetres simply substitute the respective values into the following equation: 

(Width mm x profile % x 2) + rim mm = OD 
(245 x 0.70 x 2) + 406.4 = OD 
343 + 406.4 = 749.4 mm OD 

This equation provides what I refer to as the "nominal" OD of a tyre. 
 Therefore, the nominal OD of a 245/70/16 tyre is 749.4 mm. Add to this the allowed increase of 15 mm and the nominal maximum allowable OD is 764.4 mm. So what? What sized tyre can I fit? 

Using these nominal sizes and converting back to a code, you may fit a 245/70/16 or a 255/70/16 or a 265/65/16. That's it. 

 However, ... 

the regulations do not refer to "nominal sizes, nor to the European code width/profile/rim (245/70/16). The regulations do, however, refer to "Overall Diameter", which can only be stated in millimetres or inches, and a specific size increase of +/- 15 mm. I have presented the argument to NSW RTA that the ambiguous nature of the regs leaves only one approach - to use actual diameters measured in millimetres - and this was accepted by them. 

 So, now we can ignore nominal sizes and codes and look to actual OD data. This means you can fit any wheel/tyre combo, regardless of coding as long as the actual OD in millimetres/inches, as stated by the manufacturer, is within the allowable maximum OD. OK, great. So how do we work that out now? 

Simple: add 15 mm to the largest 245/70/16 tyre available. I found one that was stated as being 755 mm so the new maximum allowable OD is 770 mm. But it gets better. Because we are now using actual sizes, not nominal, you will be able to find a 245/75/16 that is less than 770 mm (remember though, you can't have it both ways - you cannot fit any 245/75/16 - it must be less than 770 mm OD). So, now you can fit a 245/70/16, a 255/70/16, a 265/65/16 and some 245/75/16 tyres. 

 This is where the story definitely stops for SA, and perhaps also for VIC and QLD (although we have not tested the next part of the story in those two states). 

 For NSW, the story continues, and gets better again : 

I had my heart set on a set of Cooper ST 245/75/16 LT tyres. These measure-in at 775 mm and I wasn't going to take "no" for an answer. Following a lot more research, I discovered that manufactures have an allowable manufacturing variance in the product dimensions of +/- 3.0%. This variance forms part of the tyre manufacturers' specification guidelines and is also part of the Australia Standards Association guidelines. It also explains the large variance in actual OD of tyres sharing the same code. For example, a 245/70/16 tyre can actually measure between 739.1 mm and 759.7 mm OD. 

I took this information to the RTA, and claimed that if a manufacture can make a 245/70/16 tyre that is 759.7 mm in OD, that is the number referred to in the regulations as "the largest" and I should be able to add 15 mm to it to get a maximum allowable OD of 774.7 mm (which I rounded to 775 mm, of course ). I received written (email) confirmation that I could apply this argument, and the associated maths, and I promptly purchased and fitted my Cooper STs. : 

So, according to the above experience, in NSW you may fit a 245/70/16, 255/70/16, 265/70/16 and any 245/75/16 tyre to your Pathy, as long as the stated OD does not exceed 775 mm. 
 Phew, I said I'd keep it brief. 

 Oh, and remember to ensure both load rating and speed rating regulations are adhered to also and note these differ between states. In short, if in doubt present your calculation to the relevant authorities and ask, then go for it!nondisclosed_email@example.com (RonV)Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:38:23 +0000 Re: No Such Thing as A\T Tyres for X-Trailshttps://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2005218,from=rss#post2005218https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2005218,from=rss#post2005218quote:Not sure on the qld rules, but in nsw we can go as high as we want as long as the rolling diameter is no larger than 15% of the original. The RTA (NSW) documentation only refers to 15mm, not 15%: quote:Minor changes to wheels Wheels up to 26mm wider than the largest optional wheel recommended by the vehicle manufacturer for the vehicle can be fitted without the need to notify the RTA. The outside diameter of the wheel and tyre combination must be no more than 15mm over the largest diameter wheel and tyre combination specified for the vehicle and not more than 15mm below the smallest diameter wheel and tyre combination specified for the vehicle. If the rolling diameter is referred to as the 'OD' in the tyre charts, on a 16inch rim you can go up to an OD of 701mm (the Bridgestones being 686mm). If the diameter went up on this tyre by just 15mm then the distance travelled per wheel turn is only just over 2% different so your speedo should not be affected as this is within the tolerance of the speedo. 15% however would take it outside the speedo tolerance and I guess it would require adjusting. It is not necessarily illegal to fit larger wheel/tyre combinations but you would require an engineers certificate. Queensland rules are the same for an increase in size, different for decrease in size: quote:The rim diameter may be varied from the standard size but the overall diameter of the tyre must not vary by more than +15mm or -26mm. These limits have been set for a number of reasons. Varying the overall diameter of tyres affects ground clearance, centre of gravity, brake effectiveness, steering geometry, performance and speedometer accuracy That implies that BFG 215/70R16 and 225/70R16 are perfectly road legal tyres for the X-Trail. I can't find OD figures for the 15inch Toyos, if anyone has these we can work out some suggestions on those rims whilst staying within the law.nondisclosed_email@example.com (RonV)Sat, 06 Oct 2007 07:20:18 +0000 Re: No Such Thing as A\T Tyres for X-Trailshttps://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2005084,from=rss#post2005084https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2005084,from=rss#post2005084Best advice for this topic : Obtain guidelines for wheel and tyre sizes in relavent state. :Calculate largest legal tyre diameter. :Check exact tyre manufactures specs (not just by sizing eg 215/75R15). Have found OD vary a bit between tyre companies. :Pick the most suited tread pattern for vehicle use. Tyre replacement thread covers most options.   nondisclosed_email@example.com (johnsey)Mon, 01 Oct 2007 20:52:28 +0000 Re: No Such Thing as A\T Tyres for X-Trailshttps://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2004968,from=rss#post2004968https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2004968,from=rss#post2004968That is correct Darryl, there is much more options in the 16" tyre range and that was one of the reasons I initially upgraded from 15" to 16" as the choice was VERY limited. I remember at the first motor show (after the xtrail came-out) myself and Richi were asking about the 15" A/T tyres from a Goodyear dealer (I think) and he said the same thing, that in 15" they had nothing to match the factory size.nondisclosed_email@example.com (jalalski)Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:35:12 +0000