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Date Registered: 02-2004
Location: Panania, Sydney
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While I'm surprised they didn't offer you a loan car, I can half expect it seeing as yours is out of warranty - but at the same time I remind myself that the engine problem was caused by no fault of your own, nor is it due to "normal wear and tear", now matter how much they might try to convince you. It is clearly a manufacturing fault (or more correctly - a design fault) which would come back on the manufacturer if Dept. Fair Trading became involved (it would come under "selling a product of unmerchantable quality"). Nissan would look the fool if they argued that the engine life is only expected to be 80,000k's - why would they produce a service maintenance schedule which goes up to double that? Further to that, the parts in question would be considered to be a non-serviceable part anyway!

I hope you get a successful response from Nissan on Monday. I wouldn't be settling for "quick fix" but I guess the good thing is you'll get it back quicker (but the obvious trade-off being that they may also see you again sometime in the not too fistant future).

I apologise for my previous reply as now I've read it, it may have come across slightly sadistic emoticon I meant I was shocked to find out about it and was on the edge of my seat waiting to find out if yours was another to suffer the dreaded butterfly screw problem (which it was).


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Date Registered: 02-2004
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Sorry Brett,i ran into this fellow in Traralgon victoria,by chance and his X-trail was a series 2 and he told me how well he had been treated by Wights in Traralgon.This vechicle was very new and a new engine was fitted and he was loaned a x-trail till the job was done.I do not know where this fellow lives anyhow.
Do not except a repair job on the head only as the bore is proberly damaged and there might be trouble down the track.I still think that Nissan should stand by there own engine assembly problems and are very tardy by not having a look at all our x-trails.
When i am in the market for a new vechicle next year i will remember Nissans attitude and how you are being treated and i for one think we the owners of X-trails are sitting on a bomb as who knows what will happen to our x-trails in the future.I think we all should email Nissan over this problem and let them know we did not cause this problem THEY DID.Who is for letting Nissan Know what we think about poor assembly problems.My X-trail is now over three years old so i am in the same boat as you.Come on Nissan do the right thing.cheers RAY
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Date Registered: 10-2005
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Ok guys,

  Just got back from my local dealer and the news is not good.

 Firstly I was shown some pics of the damage and wow, talk about pitting and damage. Appears that both screws and the butterfly valve from the number 1 head fell into the cylinder. The result, a very polished and extremely pitted cylinder head. I could not believe the amount of damage to this head. The other three heads were smooth and nice and black. Seeing the pieces for myself also made my cringe with the level of damage.

 They also tried to tell me that this problems is not associated with our xtrail engine and all the 'hype' from the overseas recalls and butterfly screws problems is with another engine all together. WRONG !!!

 After all of this, Nissan Orange are only prepared to do the earlier mentioned 'band-aid' repair and send me on my ways. Apparently this is all Nissan Australia are prepared to approve under warranty. 8(

 Understandably, I am not happy or impressed with this outcome and with Jalal help (and support), we are taking this further.

 Stay tuned...

  knowing that this thread is being monitored by Nissan Australia, I am being extremely careful what I say, but I'm still pissed.


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Brett,

I am waiting to receive further info. and photos from you. In the mean-time a very long and very detailed letter/email has just been sent to Nissan Australia from my side and am waiting to hear back.

Hopefully by the time they respond I would get the photos from you. Please make sure you obtain these photos as a matter of urgency to support the case!

The other thread and damage as reported by Deb with photos has also been included in my email to Nissan. It is the one that has their full attention.

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FULL DETAILS will be provided tomorrow in a consolidated post in the recall thread!!

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Date Registered: 10-2005
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 Just got back from my 1,300km round trip and how did the exy peform TERRIBLY

 I had no power to overtake cars at around the 80kph mark and even the most mundane hill, took all the power to get up.

 I was asked by one of the service heads in Melbourne to check the torque, by doing a few rolling 60-80-100 kph times runs in 4th gear.

 Mine varied from 5.3 to 8.1sec for 60-80kph and 12.5 to 19.8sec for 60-100kph.

 Today I missed a call from the head Service Manager in Melbourne, so hopefully he has some good news for me tomorrow.

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Date Registered: 04-2006
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Get your local mechanic to do a compression and leak down test and post the figures to see if you have consistent compression across all four cylinders.
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I've got it booked in for a compression test tomorrow (Tuesday), but what is a 'leak down' test ??

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Date Registered: 04-2006
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Leak down test is used to check if there is a pressure loss within the cooling system which consist of all the water galleries around the motor and the radiator itself.
If your head was cracked or say even the bore there would be a loss of pressure there. If the radiator and hoses were in perfect condition but there still was a pressure loss somewhere within the cooling system chances are it would be internally in the engine.
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Update:
  After my letter of complaint reached head office, I was asked to take the vehicle to another dealer to be looked at. I have just dropped the the exy in at Nissan Bathurst to have the engine pulled apart AGAIN and the repair carried out by Nissan Orange re-evalulated. At least time I was given a courtesy car, but they gave me a damn xtrail. 8(
 I am pretty confident that this dealer will give my vehicle to attention it needs and at least replaced the damaged piston and head.

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