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Date Registered: 10-2006
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In Scareyann's last pic it looks like that is the boost solenoid and is a little close to the strut brace mount.
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I'd be thinking about moving it away a little further if there was some play in a bracket it was mounted on to adjust it.

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Date Registered: 02-2004
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Kev,

As Maryann previously mentioned, her strut bar was fitted by Nissan as part of pre-delivery and they seem to have chucked the rubber pieces that came with strut bar in the bin and didn't fit them where they should be fitted (on both sides of the car).

One rubber piece needs to be fitted to prevent that black hose from rubbing against the base and the other rubber piece must be fitted to prevent this boost solenoid cover from rubbing as well as shown in this photo from a previous installation by a member of this forum.

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And nope, the boost solenoid cannot be re-positioned I reckon.

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I might be missing something, but in none of the previous photo's have I seen a triangulation to the fire-wall to stop the brace from 'walking' to and fro.

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Aah, now I see what you mean. It's not a rocket launcher base am afraid and it's going nowhere when bolted by the 3 bolts of the strut towers. That's the design and concept of all strut bars on the market.

You're strengthening the strut towers and preventing them from flexing therefore reducing bodyroll.

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Not sure what you mean by that mate?



The brace holds two things apart - which is pictured in both this thread and the closely related one. They probably do that very well and add some stiffening.

The types I've seen here differ only in detail but the concept is the same.

However, it cannot stop flexibility within the frame from allowing the strut tops to move in another dimension/angle. - back/ forward , twist.

Logically, the only way to lock the suspension strut tops into place is to also have triangulating bars fixed from the brace to the firewall.

The brace without the triangulation lock to the firewall is essentially a strengthening device for only one axis of possible movement. It can still move backwards and forwards (walking).

Triangulation to a firewall mount fixes that as no one side can then walk forward or backward with the torsion.

It is only then with a 3 way mount that the brace cannot possibly move in any direction, so the strut tops are finally locked.

I'm not good at describing things so there is plenty of room for misinterpretation.

Easiest way to picture it is to imagine a rod joining both your knees, side to side..

You can't move them together or apart, but you can still flex forward and back, both individually and together..

Now take 2 bars at 45 degrees from the cross-rod and connect it to a valued body part.

Imagine that and you'll realise that it also eliminates the possibility of forward and back flex either individually or together..

It is no longer possible to shift on any axis.

That is why I believe that triangulation is the only way to completely lock the suspension struts.



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You're strengthening the strut towers and preventing them from flexing therefore reducing bodyroll.



Agreed. Particularly with the 3 bolt connection which will inherently resist twist.

(for 2 point/ dimension)

Following the 80/20 rule it probably does 80% of the possible 3 point/dimension result with 20% of the necessary work.

Pursuing that remaining 20% efficiency to achieve the perfect strut lock would probably hit the 'law of diminishing returns' very quickly when trying to make a proper connection to the firewall.



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Hi Everyone,

Sorry it has been so long to reply to what has been happening with my xtrail & strut brace.

So, lastly. Nissan removed my strut brace blaming that it was rubbing against my boost solenoid causing the boost solenoid to fail.

So i have been driving around without the brace installed since my last post and..... my replaced boost solenoid has started to fail again. (Makes a groaning noise randomly when I turn the engine off)

Nissan have replaced the boost solenoid 4 times already. I paid for the 4th repair as they blamed it on the strut brace. It's failing again and I don't have the strut brace installed.

Further more, I asked the dealer to find the underling problem for my boost solenoid, I asked them to escalate this with Nissan Technical and when they fix the issues to please issue me a refund on my last repair. Well..... they flat out refuse to agree to this. I am at a stalemate with the principle of this dealer. They agree to get it fixed but not refund my last repair.

I want to put my brace back in, but can't till this issue is resolved.

I'm going to do some research on the Warranty section of these forums to see what leg I have to stand on.

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The strut bar has absolutely no relation to this and they need to prove it beyond any reasonable doubt, not just stating and guessing that it was the cause of the failure. If you have clearly told them the strut bar has been removed and the thing still fails, they have no ground to stand on.

Tell them that you require an mechanic's report explaining how the strut bar contributed to this fault....even when it was removed.

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I have requested the Mechanical report.

They are not claiming it's failing due to the strut bar on this occasion. As they removed it. They are claiming it was the case last time and even if an underlining issue is found they wont consider refunding the repair I paid for last time.

I am applying a fair amount of pressure on them. Not sure what good it's going to do. As far as I am concerned they are a bunch of crooks.



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Hi Guys,

The T30 Alutec Strut Bar is running-out fast and it won't be re-ordered again, as the factory has stopped production due to concentrating on newer car models.

Grab your Strut Bar today before it is too late!

Order it from the Online Shop HERE

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