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Date Registered: 10-2005
Location: Orange. NSW.
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Jalal/Kev,

 I was not really serious about this, but I am just looking for ANY excuse to meet-up and chew the fat. Maybe a group buy Hitech exhaust sytem day. emoticon

 Apparently the new 2007 engine has a strip of thin wire gauze below the butterfly valve to stop any such thing occurring. So are they admitting to a fault, or not. There is also the same gauze on the cat side, in the event of it breaking down.

 I am not able to validate this information, a Nissan salesman told me (and we know how reliable they are emoticon )

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Date Registered: 02-2004
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Kev,

The problem is that loctite is NOT a permanent solution to this problem in any way. Loctite will deteriorate with time and the heat in that area caused by the engine will break the loctite with time, so the problem would almost certainly come back. Some of the Sentra guys reported that they couldn't find ANY traces of loctite after driving around for 50K-60K and decided to inspect these screws again.

So, while applying loctite can be considered a preventative measure, it is in no way a permanent one!

I agree with your point though, since this problem has such dramatic effects on the engine, leave it to Nissan to fix and deal with.

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Date Registered: 10-2006
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Jalal,

With Brett's last post about his current experience in getting this problem fixed in here I'm thinking we should as a group get together and collectively book our Xtrails in for the preventative work to be done.

We should pick ONE dealer in each capital which we know is passionate (sympathetic) to our issue and have them do all the Xtrails for that city.

Maybe being such a large collection of us, we might even be able to pursuade Nissan Australia to do this preventative measure for US at no cost so as to keep US loyal to the model (as Brett is already having second thoughts about his previous indecision to change brand).

I would also like to suggest that as you have the Nissan contacts and are the Main Admin for our forum that we ask you to co-ordinate this effort for us, which I know is a big ask but we can give you any support you might require.

How does everyone else feel about this ???

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 It's obviously too late for me, but even if Nissan asked a 'labour fee', I would have been up for that. Take it from someone who has been bitten by Nissans' arrogance to after sales care.

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Thanks for your support Brett.

I would also like to add that if we collectively did go to Nissan to have this work done, then as Jalal mentioned earlier, Loktite is not permanent but we could also try to have Nissan agree that this preventative measure should be done on each major service of say 50k intervals ?

And Brett, since Debdorro set a precident with her Xtrail having the engine replaced, your discussions are not over yet mate.

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Guys,

At this stage, I don't like to make any promises of what we can do as a group, as I am eagerly awaiting the outcome of Brett's case which I have been chasing with Nissan Australia for the last week since Brett mentioned this problem and we at least managed to get the full attention of Nissan about this and and participate in solving the problem to some degree.

I can tell you one thing, it is NOT easy at all to get Nissan on side and will take a HUGE effort not just from me, but from anyone else wanting to participate in this. By "effort" I mean much more than just asking Nissan nicely to do this for us!!!!

As I said, I don't want to jump the gun in this instance and I also suggested to Brett to wait for the final and CONFIRMED evaluation of the damage before he goes public about this. He is yet to see/ inspect the damage himself in person and this is a big MUST before ANY work is carried-out on his exy and given the lack of customer service provided by his local dealer, I believe he will do that Monday.

Even though that cause of the damage between Brett's exy and Deb's is the same, the extent of the damage to engine may not be, hence why it is crucial to determine the type of damage caused to the engine cylinder before taking on the next step.

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 Although my patience with Nissan is running thin, I will not jeopadise any future claim for warranty repair of any other exy owner, through me making a rash decision.

 If I seem a little hostile towards them... CAN YOU BLAME ME !!!

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No one can you blame you Brett, just take it one step at a time. This is not yet over and if you browse through previous claims like this in their nature all over the net, you would realize what exactly is involved in winning the battle at the end.

While it is no fault of your own that you have to go through this, now that it happened (through bad luck or otherwise) start thinking of how we can get to the end result without loosing an arm and a leg.

Patience is the key, especially given the fact you're OUT of warranty!

Also and for the benefit of others reading this, Nissan Australia came to the party in your case, but it is your local dealer that is stuffing you around and this is exactly what we're trying to address now!

Prepare yourself (both morally and physically) for the Monday meet with your dealer to inspect your exy emoticon

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Date Registered: 01-2007
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Hope all goes well with your meeting Brett.
This issue looks like it could develope into a big headache, especially as alot of Exy's have been sold in the past few years and many of them still less than 70-80 Ks mark.
Runout sales of the current model will take 3-4 years to reach the danger zone.

If quite a few more are suspected then Nissan should at least do the preventative measure and check the screws. As discussed earlier loctite may deteriorate with time, perhaps a small amount of silver solder on each screw maybe a suggestion. emoticon

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Date Registered: 06-2005
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If any of you had ever worked on any carburetter from earlier days, you will recall that most, if not all, had the butterfly screws split like a small split pin. After the screw was tightened the split was widened slightly, thus guaranteeing that the screw would never fall out.

It seems that the Japanese, being excellent at copying, somehow overlooked this!

Its a pity we couldn't get hold of some split screws that fitted, it would solve all our problems permanently.

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