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Date Registered: 02-2004
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Jamie,

If you ask the dealer to perform this preventative measure, they will most likely ask you to pay for it, but if you do mention the American recall and ask for it to be carried-out on your exy, the dealer will have to seek approval and funds from Nissan Australia to cover the job, so it will then be between you and Nissan Australia to try and convince them that it is a known issue of concern to you and a preventative measure for a potential defect that was their from the factory, so why should you pay for it.

In any case, you will be in a much better position when your request is recorded in the dealer's database, so if it does happen, you will have something official and formal in hand to fall back to and show both the dealer and Nissan that you asked for it and didn't get it.

I would estimate the job to be about 2-3 hours labour and the cost of one gasket and loctite. (plus the ECU re-set which is free)

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Date Registered: 09-2005
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Thanks Jalal, I will give them a call today as I just clock over the 60k mark on the weekend.

An ounce of prevention is worth a ton of cure! emoticon

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I’m also of the opinion that prevention is better than the cure and I’d prefer to be running on my original engine than perhaps needing a replacement in the future. You also leave yourself open to the risk of Nissan deciding to refuse to replace the engine unless you complain hard enough and to the right people.

I can understand Nissan’s logic not to issue a recall here in Australia yet. 6 confirmed cases via our forum, and a minority of cases around Australia if there are any, still may not justify a full scale recall, however there is no disputing that the Loose Intake Butterfly Screws defect here in Australia is VERY real and can happen to any one of us at anytime.

I approached my local Nissan dealer today, gave them the rundown of the situation, which they were already aware of in the US, and they are kindly requesting a “VRA” (Vehicle Recall Assessment) with Nissan Australia on my behalf. In the next few days I should hear back to weather my request has been successful or declined. I also received an official copy of the repair order, which will prove I have made contact with Nissan over this issue.

I shall report back in the next few days with their reading...

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 Take it from me guys, this problem is real and even if Nissan charge you for the 4 hours labour and $5 for a bit of LocTite, then it is worth it. Otherwise you will be like me, no car and the possibility of a MASSIVE bill for a new engine. And all this, through no fault of the owner. Noel also make a excellent point. If you asked your dealer for a 'recall fix' and they refuse, if the screws do come out and cause extensive damage, you may have more avenues for a warranty repair.

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Hi Brett,

The good news for you is that Nissan Australia are now directly involved in investigating your case and will soon contact me with the outcome or you will be contacted directly by your dealer. I have received the confirmation from them today advising me that they're looking into your case.

For the time being and until I hear back from Nissan Australia I ask that you cease any contact with your dealer or make further claims/demands, as the matter is now with Nissan Australia Technical Department.

Noel: Am glad that you took my advice of last night and am even more happy by the very professional approach of your local dealer to this problem. THIS is exactly what all dealers need to be doing when approached with such a request which will obviously require Nissan Head Office approval for funding to cover the recall service.

Brett: Stay tuned mate!

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I spoke to Nissan Service department (Wooloongabba, QLD) today.

The head mechanic had not heard of this problem at all and did not know of any recall. I was asked to send an email to them explaining the situation and my request and they will pass it onto Head Office for approval.

I will let you know how I go with them. emoticon

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Jamie,

Just to clarify. The dealers are NOT expected to know about the overseas recall for this issue, but they would have been notified by Nissan Australia to look out for the damage caused by the loose intake butterfly screws.

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 Jalal, your assistance is appreciated in this issue and whatever the result, I am grateful. Thanks mate.

 ps: what about a group discount to get the butterfly screws secured with loctight. We could arrange for a dealer to open Sunday allowing us to all strip the engines together. (hahaha) emoticon

 What a great male bonding session.

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Brett,

As long as we stick to stripping engines, I think this can be arranged LOL

Seriously though, having said that the DIY to secure these 8 screws is not that hard, I have to say that it is VERY VERY risky!

If for some reason you drop one of these small screws inside the intake by accident while taking them off or putting them back, then the only way to recover them will be to remove the entire engine!!

I suggest that if any of you decide to do it themselves and apply the loctite to take the lower part of the manifold entirely off and working on it away from the engine (instead of having it attached in place)

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I would suggest NOT trying to do it yourself, no matter how experienced you might be in engine work because if for some reason the loktite did not take and a screw became loose then the presence of the loktite on the screws would give Nissan a valid reason to refuse any warranty repair because of tampering.

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