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Date Registered: 10-2005
Location: Orange. NSW.
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 Guys,

 Several responses from non-xtrail forum members, who have heard about this situation.


Hi Brett, sorry to hear about your dramas. I met up with someone today who
frequents the forums and she told me all about it.
This issue happened to me middle of last year. Exact same symptoms as you and
it was even the same cylinder! I was fortunate enough to have it fixed under
warranty (had 2 months left!). And they just replaced the manifold piece
that has the butterfly assembly as well doing a compression test (even had a
bore camera air freighted up so they could inspect the bores.

Problem with the butterfly screw is that it is blown out of the cylinder under
acceleration and sits on top of the catalytic converter. Due to the way the
internal exhaust gas reticulation on this motor works and the fact the cat
sits so close to the exhaust outlet, the screw is then drafted back in under
light throttle / cruise conditions, only to be blown out again and the whole
cycle repeats.

Unfortunately it is a problem that Nissan Australia has effectively buried its
head in the sand about. When I tried to give evidence of the overseas recall
to the bird in Melbourne I was silenced "thats overseas, this is Australia".
Wish I still had her phone number so I could give to you. My dealer
originally gave me her phone number so I could try and get a loan car. They
organised a magna through hertz - maybe they were trying to tell me something
(buy a mitsubishi!).

All series 1 X-trails and early series 2 (up to as late as the early 2005
models could be affected) will unfortunately be affected by this problem. It
is only a matter of time before the problem surfaces in the series 1 vehicles
as it is a manufacturing defect worldwide. I'm surprised Jalal didn't
mention that from his nissan "contacts".

The results of your compression test were OK. There should be no more than
10psi difference between cylinders so still acceptable. Mine was exactly the
same as yours. In a normal engine, all the cylinders should increase the
compression under the "wet compression test". The fact that cylinders 1 and
4 didn't go up indicates an intake/exhaust problem (most likely valve
related).

All cars have their problems, I just didn't heed the advice of my father
(albeit he felt fit to give it AFTER I had bought the car) - "never buy the
first series of a new car, always the second model after they've ironed out
all the bugs". Mine is out of warranty now (I didn't extend) and I'm happy
at the prospect of working on it myself and catching any issues before they
come due.

I hope your dramas are sorted out soon. I was ready to sell mine last year
but I've come to the conclusion it is still a well engineered vehicle and
better than most in the market. Just a shame Nissan doesn't seem to want to
back the product they sell, especially to those who are the most passionate
about their vehicles
regard choppa

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I was just reading about your problems , butterfly screws.
We had our 2003 X trail off the road seven weeks (Including Christmas)having a new short motor fitted under warranty same problem. At Dubbo Nissan.
I think this problem is more widespread than Nissan is telling us.
When the new engine was fittet apparently they damaged the clutch (Hung clutch). 800 klm and the clutch sheared the rivets off, It took another 2 weeks to fix.Had this fixed at Parkes Nissan.Under warranty.
Still waiting for a new CD player as old one is U/S. Warranty.
 
I hope you get good service at Bathurst and back on the road soon.
Cheers
Ken

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Hi Brett.
Read it in overlander.com.au.
They readily decided to fit new short motor. No one piston and cylender were damaged. They knew we were pissed off as we had it in Parkes a few days earlier, they fitted new spark plug and said everything was Ok.
Ken.

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Brett
 
My parents are actually up at my place at the moment. After some debating about who 'dropped the plug' when it was serviced (an explanantion for the gap being closed) it was noted that the same occurred after a new plug was put in. The problem that they had was to do with the 2 screws holding the butterfly in No 3 cyclinder which came adrift in the engine. Main symptom initially was that one of their spark plugs (No 3 cylinder) had on two occasions had the gap close up causing the engine to stop or at least run roughly.
 
The butterfly was found to be on the top of the piston after it moved allowing the piston to push it against the end of the spark plug, closing the gap.
 
An early 'explanation' was that the catalytic converter had caused some the problem but it was behind the engine (after the exhaust), so as to speak.
 
They were provided with a new long engine at no cost and provided a loan vehicle for the time. They can provide further details when they get home around Thursday/end of this week should you wish to email them.
 
They had great service from Brendan (workshop foreman) at Metro Nissan in Brisbane as he heard some pinging occurred on a test drive after working with them on the vehicle.
 
My mother believes she added a post explaining what had occurred under their bevnles user name.
 
Hope this helps.


 I believe that this problem is MUCH MORE WIDESPREAD then Nissan Australia are admitting.

 Jalal, how much for a full page advert in the Telegraph emoticon

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I'm surprised Jalal didn't
mention that from his nissan "contacts".



It seems Choppa haven't been reading our forum lately to be surprised by this, as the information I posted in this thread exceeds any other explanations posted on any xtrail forum world-wide LOL emoticon

I also have a feeling that this problem is much more wide-spread and soon enough the cries and screams of Nissan owners will be annoying Nissan Australia and forcing them to admit it!

By the way Brett, 2 of these responses are from existing forum members (Choppa and bevnles) and it would have been great to have them post their experiences in this thread as proof of further cases along with the ones which we had recorded here already.

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Date Registered: 10-2005
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Guys,
 Thought you may be interested, but NISSAN has finally agreed to replace the entire engine. With all thats happened, I wonder how much money has been wasted up until this point. And it's not over yet. emoticon


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Congrats Brett, I had no doubt that would be the outcome.

The money has not been wasted by Nissan and I believe they decided to invest it to conduct a research on the way it can be fixed (if at all) using your exy as an example. This test however commenced after it was taken to Bathurst Nissan (not Orange LOL)

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Date Registered: 11-2006
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Congratulations on your new engine Brett. It will be like having a new exy all over agian. I 'm glad Nissan has finally come through for you

Cheers

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woohoo!!!!!!!

Very glad to hear that brett!, you must be over the moon emoticon

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I can't believe it took them this long to decide to put a new engine in but Jalal has a point in that they used yours as a guinea-pig while they had it...

For the considerable inconvenience you've suffered, I would've requested the turbo engine as a replacement emoticon



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Date Registered: 06-2005
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I have just had my screws and butterfly valves replaced at my cost. The dealer reported that the original ones were still tight and ok.
I have been unable to establish if they used the old type or the new type but they have been locktited. The part numbers do not correspond with the one previously mentioned.
At least I can sleep easy now and have a documented invoice should any problems arise later.

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2008 Piaggio MP3 400 in Black
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That's good John.

Can you please share a bit more details with us for the benefit of other members?

1. What was the part number used for the screws the dealer has installed?

2. What type of loctite they used?
3. What was the total cost for this service?
4. What is written on the invoice?

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Date Registered: 06-2005
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Hi Jalal,

Details as follows:

Part nos: N/14511 8J010 - screw-protector
          N/14513 8J000 - Valve-Power
          N/14032 AE000 - Gasket-Adaptor
Loctite: all I could find out was that it was the recommended Loctite.
Cost: Parts $79.46, Labour $193.27, GST $27.27, total $300.
Invoice details: parts are listed and detailed, plus "Service Note: removed and replaced the throttle butterflies and screws as requested loctite was applied at time of fitment."
The job took about 2 1/2 hours.
Despite that, as it turns out, the work was not necessary, I am pleased to have had it done.

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2008 Piaggio MP3 400 in Black
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