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Date Registered: 10-2006
Location: Mona Vale, Sydney, AUSTRALIA
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With all this talk about loose screws, I'm recalling (no pun intended!) that when I first bought our X-Trail I noticed it appeared to be pinging quite loudly. I even posted up a thread about it way back when the forum started (actually it might be on the yahoogroup). Now I'm worried that it might not be pinging, but loose screw(s) and could it be possible that mine might've been like that since new? To back my theory I test-drove another X-Trail (Ti, but similar kilometres to ours but newer) for a prospective buyer from QLD (who by the way ended up flying to Sydney and driving that X-Trail home!) and I was very surprised at the amount of extra power it appeared to have.



That would be because your ECU has retarded the timing to try and stop the pinging.

I have had some pinging in my engine too (Jalal comented on it when he drove my Exy in Dec) and still do.
I have done an upper engine clean and added Iridium plugs to try and stop and it has decreased. Next will be an ECU reset and some octane booster.

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I contacted Loctite and they do recomend the Locktite Hi-Temp 272,but they also recomend the use of Primer 7471. This speeds up the curing time and increases the strength of the 272. My Exy has always pinged have had it checked out and they couldnt find anything wrong.
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I contacted Loctite and they do recomend the Locktite Hi-Temp 272,but they also recomend the use of Primer 7471. This speeds up the curing time and increases the strength of the 272.



Thanks BigAl,
This is something to keep in mind to ask the Nissan service department if they use Loktite with the washers to do the screw fix for us.

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Date Registered: 10-2005
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 After sending off a 6 page letter of complaint to the Manager at head office, Nissan Australia, he rang me today. He did apologies for the level of treatment I received from my local dealer and also promised to follow the advise from Bathurst, where my car has been booked in for a follow-up review on Monday. I was also given a reassurance that whatever decision they make, will be carried out, still under full warranty. So, it's not over yet.

 He wasn't able to give me any information into the 'recall' issue and understandably, he was careful in what he said.

 I did manage to get a loan car this time, but the fact I have been forced to take the car 60km to another dealer is still a major inconvenience.

 Thanks Jalal for getting this letter to the right person. I think we may just be getting somewhere.


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Date Registered: 02-2004
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 but the fact I have been forced to take the car 60km to another dealer is still a major inconvenience.



Brett, I think I'll just tell him that you can take it back to Orange again for the second try emoticon I think I can live with this "major inconvenience" and get my car properly assessed with a dealer that is a bit more friendly and understanding, had I been in your position. Let us hope for the best and as I said to you earlier, your case is not over yet and you're still receiving the full support from Nissan on this.

At least you'll get a loan car this time, so that should help.


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Just had a look at doing this job myself,fitting spring washers or wave washers to the screws and a drop of loctite.Not so easy a big stretch for sure.I have the bully fitted on mine and i am now thinking damn it if it blows up i am prepared to face off Nissan.Bugger of a job any body had a go?cheers
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Ray,

I am not sure why you have decided to take this risk without professional help.

YES! It is far from being an easy DIY type of thing and the best way to do (if one really has to) is to take the intake manifold completely off the car and working on these screws.

I suggest you put everything back and request this post of yours to be removed, cause you have just voided your warranty (if you had any) and gave Nissan a reason not to fix the problem (if it happened to you)

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I have not done anything Jalal,yes mine is out of warranty.Believe me Jalal i could handle this job ok as i have had plenty of mechanical experiance,and have rebuilt plenty of motors when i was younger.At nearly 64 i suppose i should ask do i want to do the job?No,do i want Nissan to put my mind at rest?YES.I worked in the largest power station in victoria for many years on millions of dollars worth of equipment,so a Nissan Motor holds no fears for me.Do i want to pay a nissan dealership $300 to have the butterfly screws checked out?NO.I suppose i could trade my X-trail in and buy a Honda and put this behind me,but i am waiting to see the new X-trail before i make up my mind.Nissan up to now have had two recalls and provided good service and i am very happy with the x-trail as it is, with out a dought a fine soft roader 4WD,the best in its class,and the 4WD system has worked well for me in the Mud i drive it in.I feel Nissan should come to the party and recall and fix the butterfly screw problem.Just my two Bobs worth,as a up to now a satisfied x-trail owner.Cheers RAY
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Aah, sorry Ray, I (along with many other members) have misread your post and we thought that you actually started this DIY and struck a problem.

I have no doubts about your ability to do it and I can do it too, but I won't give Nissan an excuse not to fix the problem should it happen to me and I will also refuse to pay the 300 bucks for a defect which Nissan should take responsibility for and address it accordingly.

I am still keeping track and constant contact with Nissan about this and the last 2 emails I sent them where treated with...errrr "caution" by them and the information I provided is being investigated now with a long term solution and decision in mind.

I am also a very satisfied xtrail owner and don't think I will ever switch brands, provided Nissan does the right thing by us.

Sorry about the mix-up mate and am glad to hear that you've decided not to do it. Hang on a bit and let us see what happens.

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Date Registered: 10-2005
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 Just for those following this butterfly thread, my vehicle is back in the shop at Nissan Bathurst. Spoke to the Manager and he told me that there was no way he would have allowed the type of repair carried out by Nissan Orange and that it is not acceptable. He gave me a reassurance that whatever is required, will be done. (unlike others, he actually appears genuine)

 He also has the support of head office regarding this repair and it is all being carried out under warranty, including a hire car for 2 weeks. Most likely repair will be new pistons and new head. A new ENGINE would be nice... emoticon

 I showed him my 60-100kph times and the time discrepancies appear to be due to a compression issue. He told me that the start-up engine rattle was also a concern.


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