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Date Registered: 09-2005
Location: QLD
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I agree that $300.00 is a small price to pay in the scheme of things.

But when you are buying a house and forking out $20K on fees and deposits and the rest then $300.00 isn't easy to come by, even if it is for peace of mind...

And its not the point; everyone has spent hard earned money on a vehicle that should be totally dependable outside of everyday wear and tear. Now in the back of everyones minds is 'I wonder if the Exy will fail on me today and if not today, when?'

$300.00 isn't much, but it isn't supposed to fall in our laps for us to pay.



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Date Registered: 02-2004
Location: SUTHERLAND, SYDNEY
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I agree with you Nath, we bought a car because we trust the Nissan brand and it's known reliability, so there is no reason for us to wear this cost due to a defect that was known to Nissan for a VERY long time and it took them nearly EIGHT YEARS to finally fix it and change the design of these screws.

If you calculate the number of instances where Nissan owners had to pay for either the cost of repair of the engine or a complete engine replacement for a defect that was not caused by their driving habits and the like, then asking and expecting Nissan to pay for the cost of this repair to current owners is a VERY VERY small price they can pay!

If all of us started booking our xtrails at dealerships to have these screws changed and paid the 300 bucks without saying a word, NOTHING will be done to resolve this issue for the rest of the xtrailers (not only in Australia but in other parts of the world where this problem must have also been reported and experienced).

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Date Registered: 10-2005
Location: Orange. NSW.
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quote:

Jalal said;
Going on a round trip in your exy in its current state of repair is a HUGE gamble however and I am not sure if I would have risked getting stuck somewhere with a blown engine.



 Jalal - I agree that this trip has an element of risk, but no more then you driving to work or any other owner driving to the shop. I was given a reassurance by my local dealer that the car was fixed and would not give me any more trouble. Who am I to argue.

 Not that I want to ruin my holiday, but I guess NA will have some major bills coming their way if this did happen.
(tow fees/accomodation fees/hire car fees etc etc).


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Why should anybody have to pay $300 to fix a design fault.I bought a new vechicle for the first time in my life so not to have the worry of buying a second hand vechicle that you do not know how it has been treated.

I really thought Nissan was a great company and stuck by its products but now having to face paying some 0ne to give me peace of mind,this is letting Nissan opt out which would really give me the S###s.Hang in Brett this is really a test of who will blink first.RAY

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Date Registered: 02-2004
Location: Panania, Sydney
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quote:

BRETT72 wrote:

I was given a reassurance by my local dealer that the car was fixed and would not give me any more trouble. Who am I to argue.

 Not that I want to ruin my holiday, but I guess NA will have some major bills coming their way if this did happen.
(tow fees/accomodation fees/hire car fees etc etc).



Brett, For your sake I hope you got that "reassurance" in writing from Nissan Orange!


With all this talk about loose screws, I'm recalling (no pun intended!) that when I first bought our X-Trail I noticed it appeared to be pinging quite loudly. I even posted up a thread about it way back when the forum started (actually it might be on the yahoogroup). Now I'm worried that it might not be pinging, but loose screw(s) and could it be possible that mine might've been like that since new? To back my theory I test-drove another X-Trail (Ti, but similar kilometres to ours but newer) for a prospective buyer from QLD (who by the way ended up flying to Sydney and driving that X-Trail home!) and I was very surprised at the amount of extra power it appeared to have. Unless my A/T tyres on factory steel wheels weigh alot more than the Ti alloys, then there is obviously something wrong with my engine. The only thing I haven't got is excessive oil consumption (that seems to be inherent to engines with loose screws that have come out a long time ago).

Hmmm...


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Rich,

Don't get paranoid about it yet mate LOL

Had you had the loose screws since new, it wouldn't have taken THAT long for you to notice complete loss of power, which is the main symptom that is more important than the engine noise. Not forgetting excessive oil usage as well.

In Brett's case, I believe the damage was done in 2 stages, as there is no way BOTH screws of the same butterfly plate got have gotten loose at exactly the same time and fallen off.

I clearly remember Brett mentioning a while ago that he got the check engine light and he thought it was something to do with him un-plugging the MAF sensor or something to that affect.

Well, my guess that was the first screw falling off and it didn't take long (approx. 8 weeks or so) for the second screw of that same butterfly plate to fall off as well and with it went the butterfly plate itself.

With 3 items inside the cylinder, the damage and the impact on performance was immediate.

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quote:

Jalal said;
 clearly remember Brett mentioning a while ago that he got the check engine light and he thought it was something to do with him un-plugging the MAF sensor or something to that affect.



 Jalal that fault was indeed caused by the ignition being turned on when I unplugged the MAF sensor. Sorry mate. Confirmed with the diagnostic test.


 As for both screws falling out together, I have no idea how close together this infact occurred. Prior to noticing the engine power loss, the exy was running like a dream. From first hesitation of the engine, to me stopping was about 5km. Then it was a slow 10km drive home. But, the last 5km trip up several hills, it was revving excessively up around the 5000rpm mark. I believe that both screws fell off during this trip and the butterfly valve got lonely and jumped into the cylinder as well.

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Date Registered: 10-2006
Location: Adelaide
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Brett,

I see warning signs.

In all of the posts to date - including your own - Nissan and the Dealers have been in denial about paying extra costs associated with this problem. (Hire/loan cars etc)

In at least one case this has cost the owner her income for the duration. Nissan appear to be totally intractible on the subject - to their absolute shame.

It's the one point that doesn't seem to have been addressed in any of the previous posts.

Unless there has been a commitment made that I have missed, Nissan and the Dealers have been able (through some bizarre twist of logic) to separate the Customer's related expenses and the expense of fixing the engine design fault into two completely different subjects, and then to totally ignore one of them.

It's the biggest single reason that I can't feel comfortable about using my X-Trail to take my family and tow the boat up to the NT. OK, so they will pay to fix the car (which will be out of warranty and roadside assistance).

What about the boat sitting by the side of the Stuart Highway? What about the cost of accomodation and returning my family home etc..

Oh what a (bad) feeling.

Regards,
RJ

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And it's just one more reason why the $300 remedial cost is so trivial. If Nissan have to pay for our related expenses as well as fix the engine (including towing etc) then $300 is truly a pittance.

RJ

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Date Registered: 01-2007
Location: Melbourne, Wantirna
TOTAL POSTS: 435
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Forum Admin Team,

I was having a chat with one of my fellow workmates and telling him about the "Loose screws" incident, when he said that about a week or so ago his Uncles Xtrail in Queensland got something inside it's engine. The car "packed up" he said and i replied "your kidding" that sounds like the same problem i was just telling him about.

So possibly another case for Nissan to fix.
This owner is quoted to live near the Glasshouse Mountains area, so any forum members may be able to confirm this case with Nissan Dealers in that area.

If the admin team wish to bring this issue out into the public, then the Herald Sun cars guide down here in Victoria would be a good place to start.

Graham Smith is the editor for any queries of vehicle problems etc. His Email address is:

*****@*****

I felt like writing myself but thought it is better for The Admin Team to word a document to their liking as they may wish to include links etc.

Just thought i would pass this on as we wanna try and help.

cheers

[Admin Edit]: Email address removed and noted

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Hi Guys,

Thanks for all your posts on this issue thus far.

As correctly noted by Rich, this thread is getting a bit out of hand and it is turning into a large guessing game with nothing concrete which may help our case.

I do not wish to turn this thread in a petition against Nissan Australia...not yet.

The admin team of this forum has not yet decided on the course of action which we (as a forum) can take.

Brett, you have already advised us that you made several posts in other forums about this subject and for that we thank you. I see no reason for you to link these forums to this thread. You're fighting too many fires at the same time, while you have your own to put out and Nissan Australia is helping you so far in this regard.

I will be editing and removing some of the replies in this thread to make a bit more "presentable" should we decide to use it as the source and proof of the information we may decide to show someone.

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