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Date Registered: 10-2005
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Sorry Jalal, count me out.

I was all excited when I saw that this thread had a recent addition, but on looking at the snorkel design. IMHO - YUK.

Internationally speaking, Safari and Airtec have the best name in snorkels, due to not only their design, but ram effects they give the engine.

However, this current spanish setup appears to restrictive at the top opening, resulting in less air flow. Anytime you add about 1 metre of extra intake, you want more air travelling down its length to compensate for the extra length.

I think Dez should look for a manufacturer of his design. emoticon

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Brett,

I didn't say that the design of the Spanish snorkel will be EXACTLY the same as the one they're currently showing on their website. emoticon

But since you have already made a judgment on it before seeing it, OK, you're out LOL emoticon

Safari and Airtec are NOT interested in designing a snorkel for the xtrail and I have approached them about it before, so am not gonna spend time trying to convince them otherwise and would rather concentrate on following-up with a manufacturer who is keen to offer us a helping hand/snorkel.

I am very impressed with Dez's design and for a home-made one he has done a top job, but at the same time and to be quite honest about it (no offense intended at all), the cosmetic appearance of it is not upto scratch and it doesn't look symmetrical with the body line of the exy. This may not be so important for a hard-core 4WDriver who will be more interested in performance rather than looks, but from personal experience in dealing with products and accessories, looks/presentation are as important as performance.

The only aspect of the Spanish snorkel which needs changing is the top part of the air intake, other than that it looks very impressive. I have told them about that already and concentrated on the fact that the intake needs to be forward facing.

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Jalal & Brett, I agree with both of you.
Yes it needs to be forward-facing with aesthetics playing a big part and yes it should be larger so that the extra length is not too restrictive.

Jalal,
What is the diameter of your CAI piping ?
I would expect that if the length of the snorkel is about twice as long, then the area (diameter) should be about 50% larger to allow for the restrictive effects Brett mentions.
A mechanical engineer should be able to work out an exact value.

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Kev,

The CAI piping measure 3" in diameter but you gonna have to remember that with a snorkel the air volume coming in will be much more direct compared to a CAI set-up where the filter is hidden under the fender, so I believe the length of the snorkel as currently shown on their website is more than enough.

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Hi All,

While researching snorkels I found this company: http://www.overlandby4x4.com/ who are based in Melbourne and are selling the (I think?) Spanish Snorkels Jalal enquired about. The brand is Roca Silva. I have asked for a price and details which I will post here when available. Is it worth me asking about a bulk discount if a few forum members are interested?

Dino.

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Very good find Dino. Well done!

I would be interested to see photos of the xtrail ones to make sure it is not the old design with a rear facing air intake.

We can talk about the forum discount later and I can give you the authorization to seek bulk discounts on behalf of the forum when we have the details.

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Hi All,

Here is the repsonse from "Overland by 4x4"

The snorkels are hand cradfted to order in Spain. These are aero dynamically designed, in contour with the vehicle and are colour coded using the vehicle paint code for an attractive, factory type option finish. They are a suberb quality item and therefore are significantly more expensive than the plastic blow mould mass produced items in the market place due to the labour intensive manufacturing process. The Xtrail model is covered and i can (by this email) request the manufacturer to send you photographs of the product. These retail for around the $1500 mark.

At $1,500 even a 20% discount makes them considerably dearer that a (as they say) mass produced item. I'd probably leave it there unless there is some interest from the forum.

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Thanks Dino,

I don't think there is a point in pursuing this further, as I am communicating directly with the factory in Spain and there won't be a need for the middle man which will obviously increase the cost of this imported snorkel.

Let us wait and see what Spain comes-up with as per the new design they told me they're working on.

The prices I previously obtained from Spain were cheaper and mentioned HERE

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Hi Guys,

During the Brisbane meet-up Dez gave me photos of his snorkel and the way he designed it.

After seeing his snorkel in person and up-close, I was really impressed with his handy work and even more so with the colour match of the snorkel pipe which looked 100% perfect.

Here are the pics which Dez gave me.

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The only suggestion I made to Dez was to add a secondary filter at the top of the snorkel to stop the bugs and rain water from going through to the resonator box where the pipe is being attached to.

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Wonder if there will end up being a local supplier for snorkels now that the diesel had landed. Intake point while high can prone I feel to water getting in.

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