Recovery Points https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/t124373 Runboard| Recovery Points en-us Fri, 29 Mar 2024 14:07:44 +0000 Fri, 29 Mar 2024 14:07:44 +0000 https://www.runboard.com/ rssfeeds_managingeditor@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds managing editor) rssfeeds_webmaster@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds webmaster) akBBS 60 Re: Recovery Pointshttps://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2098313,from=rss#post2098313https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2098313,from=rss#post2098313would using 2 recovery straps be ok.nondisclosed_email@example.com (hbk496)Sun, 21 Feb 2021 23:03:47 +0000 Re: Recovery Pointshttps://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2092434,from=rss#post2092434https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2092434,from=rss#post2092434Not sure if the T31 are really that different to the T30 but mine came off easily with long socket extension.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Revhead Kev)Mon, 31 Oct 2016 23:36:40 +0000 Re: Recovery Pointshttps://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2092432,from=rss#post2092432https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2092432,from=rss#post2092432Has anyone got any tips on how to get the bolts off the front recovery points? Alternatively, any recommendation where i could go to have the high tensile bolts installed in melbourne? I cleaned up the bolt head, sprayed with wd40 then tried spanners, ratchet, then impact driver and none of them moved the bolt in the slightest. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Nvb)Mon, 31 Oct 2016 16:34:45 +0000 Re:https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2092431,from=rss#post2092431https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2092431,from=rss#post2092431Essential to have some equipment. People are 1000x happier to help when you do. In addition to recovery gear and some basic tools, I've added a set of Stauns (tire deflators), a good compressor and a battery jump starter as I have an auto. With the correct tire pressure and technique you can get surprisingly far in 2wd.nondisclosed_email@example.com (MrMez)Mon, 31 Oct 2016 12:08:08 +0000 Re: Recovery Pointsuhttps://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2092404,from=rss#post2092404https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2092404,from=rss#post2092404I've just bought a T31 and being a little paranoid about getting stuck have spent the past 4 weeks researching recovery gear. This is my conclusion which may be useful to anyone who may be looking for what I was 4 weeks ago. Firstly, you can buy a long handled shovel where the handle screws off. This fits in the left slot in the boot. Just about everyone agrees that a shovel is the best place to start a recovery and may be enough to get you on your way. Secondly, I bought a pair of Tred 800 recovery trams. These fit in the left slot in the boot next to the shovel. I am hoping that 90% of the time a shovel and Treds will get me out... Thirdly, I'm not mechanic but there is room for enough basic hand tools and other small fixing things in the flip top storage areas behind the rear wheels in the boot. I also had just enough room for a small socket set and a few spanners where the spare wheel is. I figure if I'm stuck because of something mechanical, if I can't fix it, then someone who knows what they're doing might be able to fix my car with the tools. Fourthly, I need to get a towbar for rear recovery! A tow hitch with shackle probably won't hurt either. This is because there is no other way to recover if you need to pull backwards. Fifthly, front recovery. It appears nissan engineers have given us a rating of 2 tinned per recovery point (2 underneath that are 900mm apart). My experience in rock climbing rigging says to get the highest rating out of these you need a 5m or 6m equalizer. 5m will be 92.6% efficient and 6m 96.1% efficient when pulled forwards (ie: not at an angle). This means t31's can achieve rated recovery points of up to 3.85 tonnes which should be enough. It has been noted that the existing bolts should be replaced with high tensile bolts to reduced possibility of bolts shearing off under load. As the xtrail weighs just over 2 tonnes a snatch strap of 5 to 6 tonnes should be used to maximize the stretch of the strap. Too high a rating will just pull and not stretch increasing chance of body damage. It is suggested to thread the snatch strap through the equalising strap. Make sure the vehicle doing the extraction takes it easy and this setup should work well. Just straps make 5.5 tonne snatch strap Just straps make a 6m tree trunk protector (equalizer) ARB make a 5m tree trunk protector 3.2 tonne shackle are obviously going to be strong enough for 2 tonne recovery points Hope this helps anyone looking to answer the questions common to all uninitiated. Happy to answer question. Nick nondisclosed_email@example.com (Nvb)Sat, 22 Oct 2016 18:12:05 +0000 Re: Recovery Pointshttps://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2092273,from=rss#post2092273https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2092273,from=rss#post2092273If you look at the manual, they are specified as recovery points. Apparently the bolts need to be changed to high tensile. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Cornel2016)Fri, 07 Oct 2016 13:22:12 +0000 Re: Recovery Pointshttps://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2092265,from=rss#post2092265https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2092265,from=rss#post2092265Recommended rear recovery is to use a hitch connector in the rated towbar mount.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Revhead Kev)Thu, 06 Oct 2016 09:34:33 +0000 Re:https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2092260,from=rss#post2092260https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2092260,from=rss#post2092260^this guy haha Okay, so I've decided to add a summary to the topic because trawling through a dozen pages for a definitive position on this is tiring (recommended however and well worth the effort). T30 Summary 1. The existing 'tow points' on the front are designed for towing. They are more solid than tie-down points (being bolted as opposed to being welded), but are not considered to be rated. The point on the rear is a tie-down point. 2. You can recover yourself using these stock points on the front by winching or being towed out by a vehicle (provided that there isn't excessive load on them from being really bogged/sucked into mud/sand). 3. If snatching or you are really bogged, recommended to use two tow points in a bridle to distribute load. 4. It is highly recommended to replace the factory bolts with high-tensile bolts to reduce risk of sheared recovery hooks, especially if you are snatching or are going to be really stuck. 5. Replacing the actual hook is possible, but there may be difficulty in sourcing one that fits the bolt holes. In all cases, placing excessive load on the points is not good in the long term. The monocoque chassis does not like that. A bridle setup will reduce the risk of chassis damage. Have I missed anything important? nondisclosed_email@example.com (Vadermort)Wed, 05 Oct 2016 18:42:01 +0000 Re: Recovery Pointshttps://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2087948,from=rss#post2087948https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2087948,from=rss#post2087948Mabey they should build them with towbars on the front, would be sorted ..... aynondisclosed_email@example.com (stinga56)Tue, 02 Jun 2015 16:07:13 +0000 Re: Re:https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2086863,from=rss#post2086863https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2086863,from=rss#post2086863quote:Ian Ewin wrote: Safest way to recover your car is a rear hitch-mount winch cradle. Or rated recovery block for a quick snatch out if you're with people Agree completely. Ordered a hitch mount cradle for the Hayman Reese towbar and Dyneema rope equipped 12000lb winch. nondisclosed_email@example.com (wsmoncrieff)Sat, 14 Feb 2015 19:14:12 +0000 Re:https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2083341,from=rss#post2083341https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2083341,from=rss#post2083341Safest way to recover your car is a rear hitch-mount winch cradle. Or rated recovery block for a quick snatch out if you're with peoplenondisclosed_email@example.com (Ian Ewin)Wed, 28 May 2014 10:53:07 +0000 Re:https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2083328,from=rss#post2083328https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2083328,from=rss#post2083328Well having just read all 12 pages in this thread, I'm still a little lost as to the recovery points on the T30. I'm currently waiting for my 2" strut spacers to arrive and have some better tyres organised to allow me to go offroad more effectively. However I want to make sure I can get back out of any problems. I remember reading this thread earlier this year and remembered someone mentioned ARB fitting a couple of recovery points to the front (will use the tow bar at the rear with the shackle). So I called my local ARB who informed me that they didn't have anything that can be fitted to the Xtrail to use as a front recovery points. So I've reread the thread and it looks like some replaced the standard bolts with high tensile bolts (sounds like an obviously good thing) but then iI'm still not sure that's enough to provide a safe point. Again, obviously using an equaliser strap is an important part and one I plan to use. I just would rather an aftermarket couple of front points to use that I could be assured are fine the purpose of vehicle recovery. Has anyone actually had aftermarket ones installed in the front of the T30? Or is it not possible due to the monocoque construction? I have a few things I want to do with the car including a new cat back exhaust to get rid of the stupid rear muffler as well as relocating the towbar plug (almost ripped it off last time). If I'm going to do more offroading, I need to make sure I have a safe way to recover the car. Thanks! Bennondisclosed_email@example.com (da houghsta)Tue, 27 May 2014 23:07:49 +0000 Re:https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2066859,from=rss#post2066859https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2066859,from=rss#post2066859I've discussed this with a mate of mine who modifies 4WDs for a business and we has a close look at the front of the X-Trail and in his opinion there is no where to mount anything that would handle the forces of a snatch recovery. The front eye bolt, in his opinion, should only be used as a winch recovery point and the only suitable recovery point is a hitch based recovery point. He also made the point that the ideal recovery for a stuck X-Trail would be to pull it back to where it had traction rather than drag it further into an obstruction...nondisclosed_email@example.com (rescue1)Tue, 25 Sep 2012 22:07:38 +0000 Re:https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2066651,from=rss#post2066651https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2066651,from=rss#post2066651Just thought i'd let everyone know that Rays Outdoors is selling 4.2t rated hitch recovery points for $40 (from $60). Also, got a 4.2t rated shackle for $13 (after 6.5% discount)... there's some 3.2t shackles for $9.40nondisclosed_email@example.com (konazz)Tue, 18 Sep 2012 21:51:10 +0000 Re: Recovery Pointshttps://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2066384,from=rss#post2066384https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2066384,from=rss#post2066384Michael, It seems that adding an additional recovery point to the front is to be discouraged if you read all the posts relating to same. I have given up the idea and will rely on the front screw in eye bolt if required. I have only had to use it once when on a forum outing (see trip report Wobeyan Caves to Jenolan Caves) and that was a winch out...NOT a snatch out which would have added further strain to the eye bolt. Others forum members have used front eye bolt recovery succesfully. Have travelled Fraser Island succesfully and Stockton Beach and dunes and luckily have not got bogged. Also vehicle still under warranty so will leave things as they are. cheers nondisclosed_email@example.com (dlpeek)Wed, 12 Sep 2012 07:05:28 +0000 Re:https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2066349,from=rss#post2066349https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2066349,from=rss#post2066349So has there been any futher discussion or solution to getting recovery points installed on the front? Is there a bullbar/recovery point solution found out yet?nondisclosed_email@example.com (konazz)Tue, 11 Sep 2012 21:12:56 +0000 Re:https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2055368,from=rss#post2055368https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2055368,from=rss#post2055368Dave, I don't believe the T31 is like that, otherwise its an obvious choice to put some hooks. They were definately fabricated some how. It worrys me a little because if they were welded to the rails, that would weaken the already thin chassis rail.nondisclosed_email@example.com (cooch t31)Thu, 11 Aug 2011 06:39:18 +0000 Re: Recovery Pointshttps://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2055367,from=rss#post2055367https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2055367,from=rss#post2055367I'd say the silicone is used to stop rattles of the plate and the chassis. I had this for a while on my aftermarket headers, and ended up spacing the bash plate out with some thick rubber wiring grommets. Tony, is the thick "welded looking" plate the hooks are mounted on standard, on a T31? Or have they ben added specifically to give 2 mounting points for the hooks? For T31 owners, an option may be to weld the same mounting block on...but drill laterally through the block and mount the hooks flat, with the hook outermost to the car on each side. Solves clearance issues. I like the bash plate....definately do the job. And as you said, glad someone gave it a shotnondisclosed_email@example.com (Robbo0001)Thu, 11 Aug 2011 06:18:00 +0000 Re:https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2055341,from=rss#post2055341https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2055341,from=rss#post2055341Interesting to see that the front of the bash plate is all siliconed up, interesting to get off to change the oil. By looking at all the bolts holding it on, it looks like that will take a while to get off too. Looks like 2mm check plate and those hooks have been hitting a few things as well. At least somebody gave it a go.nondisclosed_email@example.com (cooch t31)Wed, 10 Aug 2011 06:20:37 +0000 Re: Recovery Pointshttps://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2055334,from=rss#post2055334https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2055334,from=rss#post2055334Have seen this T31 around work, and today noticed some subtle changes. Not sure who the owner is, if I can track them down I will try and get some specs (notes on windows generally mean bad news at work, so I wont leave one.) Home made/ custom chequer plate (looks 1mm) with 2 x 2.5 (?) tonne recovery hooks (appear to be same hooks as I have mounted on the T30, just orientated differently) mounted below, via plates welded to sub-frame(thats a guess) Only real problem is the hooks hang low, however that would be mitigated by the fact that this T31 has 2 recovery points, making an equaliser strap viable. Took these with my mobile, if the owner is on here I hope I haven't offended you or stolen your thunder, and I wouldn't mind having a yarn at some stage about your set up. Cheers nondisclosed_email@example.com (Robbo0001)Tue, 09 Aug 2011 22:44:16 +0000 Re:https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2055132,from=rss#post2055132https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2055132,from=rss#post2055132Just go off the phone with Nissan Customer service. She said that the recovery points are rated twice the weight of the vehicle, so with my T31 TL, the recovery point is rated at roughly 3.2T. Doesn't quite make sense, as I'd imagine all X-Trails have been fitted with the same recovery point, and hence should have the same strength, that or the heavier vehicles (such as the Diesels) should be rated lower than the lighter petrol ones. In any case, I'm happy I have a figure now, and this compares nicely to the old T30 which Nissan told me only had points rated to 2.5T. Having said that, the old T30 had 2 front recovery points which gave you a decent rating when using an equaliser strap, where as the newer T31 only has one front, and it appears no chance of adding another. Since I've had the tow bar fitted, will most likely rely on rear recoveries for now using the equaliser between the tow bar point (make sure you do this safely!) and the rear recovery point, and only use the front when I have no choice.nondisclosed_email@example.com (ExyCol)Tue, 02 Aug 2011 16:12:39 +0000 Re: Recovery Pointshttps://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2054812,from=rss#post2054812https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2054812,from=rss#post2054812I had an interesting conversation with a guy at a 4x4 store last night... I asked about there being any chance of fitting recovery points to the new T31 X-Trail and he said no, but then continued on to tell me most new vehicles they are struggling with putting on decent recovery points. He said most full 4x4 vehicles they are struggling with as there isn't enough clearance to fit the recovery point under the vehicle, yet have it useful for attaching a strap. It seems that the bumper at the front either sticks out too far or sits too low. Most of the time they are encouraging people to get maxtrax now (he said as long as you have an 'open tread' pattern on your tyres) and this should get you out of most things. He particularly noted that the low weight of the X-Trail will definately make them useful. He said the only time they would generally not be up to the goods is when you are well and truely bogged, and he doubted you'd ever get your X-Trail into this. He also cringed a little bit once he found out that there was a screw in eyelet for recovery, but didn't totally right it off. He just said he doesn't have much experience with them and hence doesn't know how reliable they are. So I guess, we're not really that much worse off than proper 4WDs, and at least have a point that can be used. I'm going to try and get in contact with Nissan to find out the actual rating for the point like I did with the T30...nondisclosed_email@example.com (ExyCol)Fri, 22 Jul 2011 11:00:44 +0000 Re: Recovery Pointshttps://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2054213,from=rss#post2054213https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2054213,from=rss#post2054213Just been reading up, and im surprised I haven't ripped my exy to bits by now! About 4:15 you can see my exy being recovered using stock points on the rear, must have been under a huge amount of force... So, I've found the following for the UK market and just wanted to double check them before ordering... Bolt Me Up - M10 x 30mm High Tensile M10 is 17mm head size and a 10mm thread. I'm guessing the flange is only a good thing. Any thoughts? Think i'll give the recovery points a nice red paint job while i've got them off. nondisclosed_email@example.com (RoobUK)Tue, 05 Jul 2011 07:08:36 +0000 Re: Recovery Pointshttps://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2051840,from=rss#post2051840https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2051840,from=rss#post2051840Thanks Koobs....I responded to your PM and also read your trip report. Great pics. Sounds like you had a great time and great to hear front recovery point was utilised OK with no probs. Only 5 recoveries (3 front, 2 rear) and no school hols!!! I still have some doubts with Fraser Island sand in School Hols and if I do use the exy I may exceed your 3 front end snatches. Oh well........my mind is relieved somewhat about those recovery points and I may just have to forewarn the relos in their Prado and Patrol to stay close in case I need them...sounds like I will ugghhhh. cheers againnondisclosed_email@example.com (dlpeek)Wed, 20 Apr 2011 21:59:14 +0000 Re: Recovery Pointshttps://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2051751,from=rss#post2051751https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2051751,from=rss#post2051751Hi all Dave - I have sent you a PM with some info give me a yell if i can be any further help. Front Recovery Point was great no issues, no bends, no chasis damage (that i can tell) I now have the upmost confidence in using it. 18psi is what i ran, South Nkgala was hard to pass due to depth of soft sand, after that it was pretty plain sailing. Wathumba is getting harder to driver day by day, due to traffic. Cheersnondisclosed_email@example.com (Koobs)Mon, 18 Apr 2011 00:34:34 +0000 Re: Recovery pointshttps://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2051422,from=rss#post2051422https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2051422,from=rss#post2051422No Probs Dave, I will give you a full run down when back. We are staying at Marloo Blue up at Orchid, I spoke with the local coppers today they said the beach is currently in great shape, but will change after the school holidays (hence why we go before). The rocks are easily passable at Nkgala so you can get all the way up to the top of sandy cape. I am going to play with the tyre pressures abit so i can tell you what works best with us. we leave here Thursday arvo. So will cya on the flipside.  nondisclosed_email@example.com (Koobs)Mon, 04 Apr 2011 21:50:06 +0000 Re: Recovery Pointshttps://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2051376,from=rss#post2051376https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2051376,from=rss#post2051376Koobs. I am planning trip to Fraser Isl in September. My relos in QLD have a Prado and a Patrol. I hope to take the Exy but need to get to Orchid Beach where they stay. I certainly hope that your comment "I will give the screw in eyelet a good working at fraser in less then a week" does not mean you expect lots of bogging down? Would be interested in your trip report on appropriate post and any comments regarding any use of the recovery points. Have a great trip........ ps have looked at other trip posts but only found one relating to getting to Orchard Beach. Worried about getting around Indian Head....especially in school holidays where our bigger cousins seem to chew up the track a hell of a lot. Maybe there may be something to your comment........... cheersnondisclosed_email@example.com (dlpeek)Sun, 03 Apr 2011 16:12:55 +0000 Re: Recovery Pointshttps://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2051241,from=rss#post2051241https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2051241,from=rss#post2051241Dave your bang on about the crappy position of the tie down points on the T31. The jury is still out on where to put the recovery points.... i have two of your hooks sitting on the shelf in the shed purchased prior to looking ... as i just expected that i could bolt them on. They will be used .....just another day or perhaps on another vehicle.... I will give the screw in eyelet a good working at fraser in less then a week. Cheersnondisclosed_email@example.com (Koobs)Tue, 29 Mar 2011 19:24:02 +0000 Re: Recovery Pointshttps://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2051229,from=rss#post2051229https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2051229,from=rss#post2051229I installed 2 x 8tonne recovery hooks in 2008, when putting the nudge on. Changed the bolts for high tensile as well. Used in anger once, in deep sand at Rainbow Beach with a equaliser strap. NO dramas at all, nice equal and smooth pull. The T31 appears to have the tie downs in a ridiculous position, so I am unsure as to wether hooks can be installed under there. But with enough research, anything is generally possible. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Robbo0001)Tue, 29 Mar 2011 06:07:02 +0000 Re:https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2051228,from=rss#post2051228https://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2051228,from=rss#post2051228I can't see the airbags being set off by being pulled out of a bog, it all depends on the force being used. Excessive 'pull' could probably twist the front chassis setting it off. An impact of 26km/h or greater is the trigger for an airbag.nondisclosed_email@example.com (cooch t31)Tue, 29 Mar 2011 05:26:36 +0000