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Date Registered: 05-2010
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Re: Winch options

xtrailertr I think it's great that you have made a set yourself and posted the outcome here. You also have what we would call here Gnarly (seriously aggressive) Tires too.

I too like the simplicity but would be very wary of the effect on the cars suspension/steering components. It's good you have had no problems yet in using what is a great device.

It's true that there is a smaller rotational radius (as in the way the wheel revolves) and therefore less rotational moment than a fully gripping tire in the same situation; HOWEVER the pull - and it could be in the order of 1,000kg or more depending on how stuck the car is, is not stressing the vehicle in the same way as a driven wheel in contact with the ground.

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Note how the steering axis goes through the centre of the tire's contact patch thereby negating any tendency for the driving force to "Steer" the wheel. The winch's pull though is well outside this geometry!!!
A driven wheel usually has its geometry such as to have the centre line of the tire on the same axis roughly as say the McPherson strut and because of this there is a straight line pull on the suspension components and more specifically very little load (steering rotational) on the steering components. This is apparent because you feel very little feedback through the steering even if one wheel is gripping and the other is slipping.

With this device however a powerful steering ROTATIONAL moment (in the steering axis) is introduced and as I mentioned, could be well over 1,000kgs. Imagine the load on the steering arms, ball joints etc etc.

Unless it was proven by a qualified vehicle engineer that the car could tolerate such rotational loads I would never use the device on the front wheels of a vehicle designed like the X-Trail.

On the rear wheels on a solid axle is a different issue and I can't see any problem there.

Unfortunately the rear wheels of the X-Trail are quite likely also rotationally (steering motion) weak like the front as they are not on a solid axle.

Have a look at this:

And This:
I reckon I'd rather use these than get snatched out if I had a Cruiser or a Patrol for sure!!! X-trail Hmmmmmm!!!

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cooch t31 wrote:
You will also need 2 sets as if winching in reverse, they will dis engage from the wheel nuts.

I reckon swapping sides would allow reverse emoticon

Last edited by Translucidus, 11/May/2011, 11:06 pm

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11/May/2011, 9:48 pm

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Nice videos Peter emoticon

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Date Registered: 07-2008
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Re: Winch options

I would rather build a winch tray and brackets, and tuck it all away begind the front bumper. Then I dont need to buy a whole new car, to do what I want with it. emoticon

And we can continue to do solo drives, knowing we can get out as required.

Thanks for the pics and Vids xtrailert, good to see someone doing something different, and if it works for you "why not"?

Personally, I would hate to try and use one of these in mud, or jammed between two walls of a defile or cutting. On a beach, would be no problems at all with a straight pull. The second set of videos by Translucidus are interesting as well.

Cheers
Dave

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13/May/2011, 6:05 am

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Re: Winch options

Notice too how the genuine product uses the REAR wheels for the drum to elliminate the pull component translucidous mentions

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13/May/2011, 4:58 pm

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Date Registered: 02-2011
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Re: Winch options

quote:
Revhead Kev wrote:

Notice too how the genuine product uses the REAR wheels for the drum to elliminate the pull component translucidous mentions

Yep. but they are rear wheel drive vehicles in 2WD mode. X-trail is front wheel drive vehicle and during wheel winch operation it must be used in 2WD. 4WD or 4WD Lock mode is not recommended for center differential.

Regarding to my trials and experience, the only damage I assume may be steering adjustment after hard recovery conditions. Better and better than a damage at center differential.

I will take videos if I need serious recoveries and share it here. Every weekend I use the vehicle to go fishing where people go for off-road. And also share long term experience about the system.

13/May/2011, 9:36 pm

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Date Registered: 05-2011
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Re:

the best option i have found so far is

1) get a front tow bar. there is a company in the uk (watling) that does them I enquired and it was around 260 pounds shipped to aus
2) get a towbar winch cradle (around $130 on ebay)
3) lay power to back and front with anderson connectors

It all looked to too complicated and expensive. I just ended up buying a set of maxtrax. In WA we don't have else than sand in any case

Regards,

Pieter

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7/Aug/2011, 12:10 pm

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Date Registered: 08-2013
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Re: Winch options

Hi all. A few pages back I shared my bullbar mods and my plans to run a 12000lb winch. To refresh I have a TUFF aero bullbar that was made winch comparable by TUFF ( extra $200 for thicker alloy and stiffened) I than went and put a 12000lb domain8r winch in it. Now at the time of the last post I had not tested it in anger yet. However now I have so I can say 100% it can be done and it dose work. After taking the exy to cape York and getting stuck several times also used it to recover a bogged to the sills 80series. I have also used it to recover myself at local tracks from some very sticky and deep mud. Now the car is till 100% in tact there has been no movment from the bullbar or any other component. So can it be done YES is it an expensive exercise YES. Just my 2cent I do not encourage any one else to try it under myfindings they are my experience only I can not crecomend it unless you know exactly what you are doing.

16/Dec/2014, 7:45 pm

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Date Registered: 06-2008
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Hi Buggs,
You don't have any previous posts in this thread.
If you give us a link to the thread that you posted in it would save people looking back for your post.

You could also post a few pictures too.

Last edited by cooch t31, 17/Dec/2014, 5:20 am

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17/Dec/2014, 5:20 am

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Re: Winch options

Yeah and photo's too would be nice

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17/Dec/2014, 4:08 pm

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Date Registered: 08-2013
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Re: Winch options

Sorry for the confusion this was a copy fron the t31 bullbar thread in the interior/ exterior mods topic. I will try to post pics soon its a bit hard on the phone will have to wait till imon the comp next.

17/Dec/2014, 6:21 pm

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