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Date Registered: 02-2004
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12 Volt Plugs


Has anyone re-wired the extra 12 volt outlets to be permanently on. If so, how? And have you had any troubles?
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I am interested in this too, specifically the one in the luggage area. Had a look at the fuse box last night and I see there appears to be an option for the cigarette lighter to be on either Acc or Batt but not for the accessory sockets. Looks like a little rewire will be needed, perhaps using the cig lighter Batt option.

Will let you know if it is possible.

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This topic has been re-opened by request.

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Thanks for opening this topic Jalal.

I have been wondering how this could be done for ages as I have a portable DVD player that I set up for the kids when going on holidays. The problem at the moment is, that if we have to stop for anything, i.e petrol or a break, when switching off the car, the DVD shuts down and the movie has to be started again.

Even if I leave it on accessories, when the ignition is kicked over again the DVD unit shuts down and then starts again sending the movie back to the start.

This is particularly frustrating for the kids if there is only say, 20 minutes or so left of the movie. People tend to frown at you if you leave the car running when filling up with fuel, not to mention the safety aspects.

So, if anyone has done this mod or knows how this could be done, I sure would appreciate some help.

Also, would this mod affect the warranty in any way?

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

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Jamie, somehow I think this mod may not really help your situation much.

The problem during starting which you describe can also be caused by the voltage dip when the low resistance of the starter motor draws such a high current from the battery that it momentarily drops its volts from 12.6V.
You'll see the effect in your headlights when they are on as you start the car.
Depending on the minimum volts required by your DVD player, it may not "ride through" the voltage dip and so restart.

A portable DVD player which uses batteries OR auxiliary power would be able to survive the voltage dip and the ignition OFF periods by using the batteries, then recharging them from the auxiliary supply when the car is running.

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I've also been planning to wire the boot socket in permantly, and in addition, run new cables to it, so I can power more than 10 amps through it.

The biggest problem with permanent power, is as Kev said, the dip in voltage when you start the car. This is generally why all accessories are turned off during starting - to avoid the voltage dip, which my damage some accessories.

I'm personally not rushing to wire my own socket up yet because of this issue. I see only 2 practical solutions - a decent dual battery setup, one starts the car, the other runs the accessories - so when starting the car, the accesory battery still puts out 12V, or wiring the plug so that it switches off when the car is started.

The first solution solves the problems, but you need to find a place for the 2nd battery as well as get a decent battery controller to make it all happen correctly. This means that it gets costly.

The 2nd solution doesn't solve the problem of the DVD player going off though... but certainly can be done cheaply. Its more of a protection for you to leave something in there permantly, but still have it switched off when you start the car.

The only other solution I can think of is adding some kind of capacitor bank. This might be costly too, but for low drain devices (like the DVD player) it might just do the trick. I know when I had the stereo in the old car, the voltage in my system took its time to drop from 13V down to 12V, even when running low drain devices because of the capacitors in all the amps I had fitted. Maybe it'll apply the other way somewhat, as long as the capacitors are stopped from dumping their voltage into the starter motor (big diodes?). I just know theres something that'll stop this idea from working though... and I guess you'd learn what it is, if you tried rigging it up.
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Thanks so much guys for the information!

I don't have the electrical knowledge nor the dollars to do this kind of modifications i.e capacitor bank thingio emoticon , duel battery, and as this car is my only means of transport (hate public transport) the thought of playing around in the hope that I might get something right is just beyond comprehension for me.

If it was nice and simple such as cutting one wire and joining it up with another one direct from power I might have given it a shot, emoticon I have to admit I was kinda hoping that would be the case.

Never mind, I suppose it will just have to come down to better planning on my part, fill up before leaving, planning stops after the movie etc, etc, etc......... emoticon

Or......sell the DVD player and get a LAPTOP that plays movies, they have battery backup, they can play games on it as well. Nah.... I can see more arguments this way as one will want to play games and the other will want a movie. Best to let sleeping dogs lie I suppose. emoticon

Thanks again for everything guys!

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(new) 2011 Series 4 T31 T1 (CVT Auto) Diamond Black
(2nd car) 92 Pajero (old but tuff) Red

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Hey Jamie,

There is an easiest solution to run the DVD player without loosing power and it is a very handy option to have because it can do many other things too emoticon

It's called the Power Pack emoticon

Takes a bit of a room inside the car, but you can easily extend the wire from the DVD player to the boot of the car where you can have this power pack sitting there on longer trips and am sure it'll come in handy if you go camping too.

P.S. I just made a link to the eBay auction to show you what it is, but you can find it in any supercheap auto store.

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or...
 
HERE

... and as Jalal said... it has additional uses.

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Ooooooh, I have a wicked sense of humour, emoticon emoticon emoticon I can picture another use for it right now........

(boys) argue, argue, argue

(me) Boys, stop arguing, can't you guys agree on anything?

(boys) argue, argue, argue

(me) Boys, I said stop arguing

(boys) argue, argue, argue

(me) O.K, you asked for it

tzzzzzzzzzztt - tzzzzzzzzztt

(me) Honey, I love it when the boys can get along

(honey) What's that smoke coming from the kids hair

(me) Don't ask questions, just enjoy the peace and quiet


thanks for this suggestion, I'll look into it right away
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(new) 2011 Series 4 T31 T1 (CVT Auto) Diamond Black
(2nd car) 92 Pajero (old but tuff) Red

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