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Date Registered: 07-2013
Location: Cowes Phillip Island Victoria
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Brake rotor warped at under 30,000 km 2013 T31 manual diesel!


Hi Guys, been a while since I posted here.

Coming down the black spur last week, going very easy (I had the human G meter beside me, her elbows hurt) I easily warped the brake rotors well before we made it to the bottom.
There is no place to stop on this road, we weren't being pushed by traffic so I was taking it very easy, knowing full well the stock rotors are like butter!

We warped the ones on Augustus the 2010 T 31 TS Manual diesel at 80,000 km in similar conditions, so I was aware of this issue and didn't want it to happen again.

I replaced the rotors on Augustus (which we still have emoticon ) with DBA T2 extreme 4x4 series and bendix extreme 4x4 pads. These are up to the job and work like the original fitments should have.

The original fitment rotors are not up to the task at all, the diesel has a very high front axle loading and is a high performance engine, so why fit crap brake rotors?

I'm currently in for the 30,000 km service, I've put my dealer onto it. I'm not settling for machining as these rotors have very little meat in them, and once heat affected the chances of them warping again increases anyhow.

I will not be settling for replacement original rotors either.

They will be fitting ones that are up to the task, the DBA T2's

Going to be interesting!

But as this is the second X trail we have bought from this dealer, they will try hard to resolve this I'm sure.

They claim they have had no other issues with X Trail brakes! Um they forget that we have already had this issue!

If we get no resolution of this issue from Nissan to my complete satisfaction, I will be going to consumer affairs, and we could see a recall of all T31 diesels.

I'd hate to think what the owner of an Auto has gone through due to no real engine braking.

If my dealer doesn't get this problem solved to my complete satisfaction, in a timely manner, I will be pulling the servicing of both X Trails from this dealer.

Why else do you service with a dealer! They are meant to be able to solve issues like this on your behalf.

If I have to chase this up personally with Nissan, I will be taking it not only to consumer affairs, but to all mainstream media. These brakes are not up to the task, and should never have been used.

There is a clause fit for purpose, in Australian consumer law, and these rotors are definitely not that!

I'll keep you all posted as to how this pans out.

Have a grouse day, and get Muddy emoticon Augustus X Trail emoticon
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Date Registered: 10-2006
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Do what you like but Nissan will not fit anything but genuine OEM parts if you get them to supply under warranty. That is all they are obliged to do. No amount of complaining will change that.

Your case is a special extreme instance. Remember that most Xtrails 99.9% would not be used the same way with the original brakes certified by ADRs to be more than edequate for standard use and I am sure that will be there point to make.

You might not like to hear it but your best bet is to buy the new rotors and pads you want and ask them to fit them.

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Date Registered: 02-2004
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Agree with Kev on this one....

They are fit for purpose, but not "your purpose" in this case LOL emoticon

You don't have a case.

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Date Registered: 07-2013
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HI Kev, Jalal, dealing with Nissan Australia is like talking to a brick wall! I keep getting the same guy on warranty claims and the same line of BS each time. Sure they are fit for purpose, no we will authorize the fitment of aftermarket rotors or pads! We normally don't even allow claims on rotors under warranty! We are giving you the benefit of the doubt! Translate that into layman's terms, "Sure we know there is a problem, we will fix it for you this time, be thankful we did, we just don't wish to acknowledge it and set a precedent!"

As far as I'm concerned they are not fit for purpose. The diesel has a lot more power and a lot more load on the front axle, yet is expected to make do with the same rotors the petrol models have!

No way have I abused these brakes! I knew full well they were like butter and I have babied them!

Now the DBA T2's on Augustus, well that's a completely different story! They are bloody awesome, you can dish up bloody continuous abuse on a windy mountain road, sure the pads get a bit smelly, but there is simply no fade and not even a hint that they are going to ever warp! You would have to subject them to hours of racetrack abuse I reckon to do that. Put simply they are the brakes this Exy needs and deserves! I expect well over 100,000 km's out of them and wouldn't be at all surprised if they do over 200,000 km emoticon

Well the dealer Ferntree Gully Nissan, who are simply awesome, they do deserve the title of best Nissan dealer on the planet, they have worked hard to get it and work even harder to keep it, authorized fitment of new front rotors under warranty.

They have agreed though to supply us with the DBA T2 front Part number DBAT223165 and DBA T3 rear part number DBAT345745 at their cost, do the fitting under the warranty claim and deduct the cost of the genuine rotors.

So where we were looking at around $800 RRP plus fitting we will now get out of it considerably cheaper. So where Nissan Australia simply fails, the dealer who knows us well and values us as a repeat client looks after us. Nissan Australia could learn a lot from them!
Pretty sad when the dealer is basically having to picking up the slack.
          
Now I have several good friends in Consumer Affairs, one was surprised I wasn't taking it any further. I really don't need the stress! But if I was going to, I'd be making sure every T31 Diesel was getting upgraded fit for purpose brakes in a recall!

I have very good media contacts too. They love to beat up stuff like this!

Sadly it seems Nissan Australia would rather cop the flack and be forced to do something about it, than acknowledging a real problem and setting about fixing it! Bloody sad.

Simply put, if I wanted to make a media case, I'd only have to make 3 emergency stops from 100km/h in under 1 hour and I know full well that the original rotors would be totaled!

So is that fit for purpose? I think not!

Sure I'm not happy about Nissan Australia's stand point, but I am rapt that my dealer has stepped up to the plate. Yes it is going to cost us a little bit, but nowhere near what it could have, and now our trusty T31 diesel will have the brakes it deserves, ones I know I can trust to stop us in any conditions way better than the original factory fitted crap!

So whats the next whinge to Nissan Australia you ask? Well paint shouldn't be coming off when you put it through a car-wash!

And the rebound damping in the front struts is very poor. The springs have sagged way to much, and are also not up to the job. On those we have some very good professional engineering reports! I know several people who have had struts replaced at under 40,000km on the rebound issue, and I know of a couple who have had Up-rated aftermarket springs fitted. Nissan Australia do not want that one getting out. They made these people sign non disclosure agreements. They didn't however get the engineer to sign one! emoticon

So a hair tearing day with Nissan Australia emoticon and a pleasurable one with the team at Ferntree Gully Nissan emoticon
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Date Registered: 10-2006
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They have agreed though to supply us with the DBA T2 front Part number DBAT223165 and DBA T3 rear part number DBAT345745 at their cost, do the fitting under the warranty claim and deduct the cost of the genuine rotors.



There you go. Best result you could have hoped for having the cost of OEM rotors and pads deducted from the cost of your preferred aftermarket rotors and pads.
Be happy you have a good relationship with your dealer for them to do this for you and don't forget to praise them in the dealer thread which Nissan monitor.

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Date Registered: 07-2013
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Yeah I doubt many other dealers would do this!
I praise them all the time, and they deserve it.
Sure they don't have the best buy price, but we are quibbling over a few hundred $$$$ seriously.
But Ferntree Gully Nissan's Service Dept is the best out there! If you live in Melbourne and you service your Nissan elsewhere, give them a go! It's worth the drive, especially if you have warranty issues! They are also the cheapest dealer service in Melbourne too!
I'm a fussy mongrel when it comes to servicing, they have never questioned why I want things done my way, they just do it!
I have gotten to know most of the Mechanics personally, and they love Augustus! Always puts a smile on their dials. And this is a premium dealership that has all the models. They have many GTR's serviced there. But a lot of the boys just love the grunt factor of the Hi Tech Mufflers Cat Back and "Chip my Diesel" chip. 125KW's @ all 4 wheels, hell yeah!
About to do the 2013 one soon, I think 30,000 is run in enough! Unlike most dealers too, they don't bother about the exhaust and chipping! I know if I still have a warranty issue they will go in and fight for it!
Be interesting to see what we pull on the dyno using the same settings on a fresher engine!
I'll probably have to wind it back a bit. Seriously I've seen stupid figures when the chip was turned up, and still got good economy! But the driveability went out the window, it was like living with a grumpy pig, rather than a refined smooth monster! The missus hated it, and seriously, yeah I loved it on one hand, wasn't much that would give you a run at the lights lol, but hated it on more levels than it was worth, and it wasn't nice off road either, you lost the low down flex!
Raining down here ATM so going to get muddy. No point having mudders if ya don't use them! emoticon
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Head over to THIS thread and give them a plug.

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Thanks Mate will do emoticon
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Date Registered: 03-2012
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I had the same brake problems but since fitting the DBA/ Bendix I can drive down the Clyde without shuddering and reliable brakes.

I do not believe that the OEM brakes are fit for purpose but it all got too hard, the dealer was no help with Nissan, head in sand.

I have given up on Nissan after also having ongoing EGR and oil on filter problems and a very noisy engine when cold.

Previously had a Pathfinder followed by a T30 petrol and was looking forward to the new diesel Xtrail.

I will never again buy a Nissan product.
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Date Registered: 08-2012
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The factory rotors are 100% RUBBISH! A couple of brake checks on the test drive proved that.

I ordered DBA's be fitted pre delivery, but due to supply issues, I had to wait till the 10,000km service.

With 72,000km on the clock the DBA's are still going strong.

OEM coil springs are crap. The vehicle bounces around and is a pain to drive on sealed rural roads.

My vehicle was actually out of spec when new and it chewed back tyres in about 8,000 km. Eventually Nissan fitted a set of KINGS springs (about 30% stiffer than OEM) The vehicle now drives like a dream and tyre wear issues have been cured.

If you tow, or find the factory set up spongey and vague, get KINGS springs fitted. You won't be disappointed.

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