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Date Registered: 06-2011
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Re: T31 Tailgate Rubbing on rear bumper


Hi John,

Thanks for the update on efforts to fix your car and the information shared by your dealer.
It seems all Nissan have really identified is something very similar to what I and other forum members have worked out on our own (in my case ref: my comments on top of Pg6 of this thread).

Mind you it took their engineers a few weeks to work it out when my old man and I could see what we believed was the main problem within a few minutes of removing the bumper.

The fix that you indicate your dealer has attempted are two possible solutions that we had already worked out on our own weeks ago.

Indeed we also considered that the tow bar itself may require modification and that this could affect the tow bar integrity and rating.

So in a nutshell Nissan, with all their resources and intimate technical knowledge of their own product, have not provided us any more information than we as a group had worked out for ourselves.

It's a pretty average effort really....... emoticon

Cheers to all (have a good Chrissie and New Year too!) emoticon

Paul.

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Date Registered: 06-2008
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Paul,
You have to also understand that we as X trail owners are living with our cars. In and out every day, opening and closing, taking apart, washing, etc etc.
All Nissan do is sell sell sell.
It's taking them time cause the problem is not to do with the X Trail itself but rather the towbar that is manufactured by another company.
This problem was noted years ago with the first owners of the Series 1 and it still continues.

I can't believe that I;m actually sticking up for Nissan, lol.
Oh well, off to work.

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That's correct Tony, it is a defect caused by the towbar manufacturer which is Hayman Reece in this case and it is also impacting those of you who have fitted the Hayman Reece towbars and noticed exactly the same fault.

My advice to those of you who purchased a Hayman Reece towbar and have this misalignment is to contact Hayman Reece and make a claim with them, rather than Nissan Australia.

I only blame Nissan for not putting enough pressure on Hayman Reece to come-up with a real solution, rather than a patch-up job. As a car manufacturer who's buying a product from a local Australian manufacturer, Nissan have every right to hammer Hayman Reece about this, just like they forced Eclipse/Fujitsu to update all GPS maps free of charge.

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Date Registered: 02-2008
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I have of this morning sent a enquiry message to Hayman and Reece and will await to see what they are going to do and will let you all know the out come!

I think it is best to approach them as you have suggested Jalal.

Regards Scot

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Date Registered: 11-2010
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Some good points.

I understand the frustrations of the Nissan service managers as they are having to complete the recommended changes that in some cases are obviously not the solution.

As suggested by other members either Nissan or Hayman Reece are to blame for the design flaw. Interested to know if Nissan provided the design to Hayman Reece or Hayman Reece provided the full design themselves. Either way Nissan still had a responsibility to ensure that the towbar fitted their vehicle before selling it as a certified Nissan part.

Hayman Reece obviously need to modify the design so that the towbar actually fits the vehicle correctly and Nissan needs to ensure that is done in a timely manner (obviously has been missed from that point).

As mentioned by members, our group have done just about everything except redesign the towbar for them but they haven't been listening or if so ignoring us. To obtain more information I am looking at buying a borescope (snake camera) in the hope that I can get some pictures with the bumber fitted.

Are there any members that already have access to a borescope that can try and take some pictures inside the bumber? In the meanwhile I will look at buying one for this exercise.

At this stage I like the idea of tackling Hayman Reece themselves as they manufacture the towbar. Excuse my ignorance but I wasn't sure who the 3rd party was until today emoticon

My towbar is Nissan supplied but I will also try and contact Hayman Reece to see what information I can obtain.



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Yep John, Hayman Reece have the design patent for the towbar and Nissan have an agreement with them in place allowing them to re-badge the towbar as "Genuine Nissan".

You should see the problems Pathfinder owners are facing when they use the weight level distribution hitch with the Nissan towbar (also manufactured by Haman Reece)!!! It's a horror story ineed and a safety risk too when they loose their carvans on the highway!

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Date Registered: 12-2008
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Thanks John.

Although not ideal, I'm sort of glad you've also confirmed this as an unrecifiable issue for Nissan. I'll live with it, its still a great car. Anyway, it's front is much more sexier to look at than the rear!
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Date Registered: 07-2011
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I'm no mechanic or engineer but it would be very interesting to find out somehow if the "Nissan Australia" mofifications to the bumper bar, by any way may/would affect the integrity and function of the bumper bar, In the case of a rear end collison....
Does anyone know someone who would know???



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Date Registered: 02-2004
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Well, interesting question and here is the answer I got from a guy working at the wreckers about towbars in general.

He said, to fit the towbar, the most important piece of support behind the bumper fascia, which is the metal bumper re-enforcement piece is remove to allow the towbar to be fitted. You have already lost quite a good deal of bumper support just by having that piece removed.

The second point he made, was that during rear end collisions and those cars fitted with a towbar, the damage is always more than those cars without one. That is because in ALL cases where the towbar is fitted, it pushed further down on the chassis mounting points and caused greater damage to the chassis which is sometimes impossible to fix.

So there you have it, I don't think cutting a small piece of plastic from the back of the plastic bumper fascia is gonna make much difference, you have more things to worry about if you get rear ended emoticon

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Great. Still a lose/lose scenario.

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