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Slim roof basket for T31 Extreme/ Hyper rails?


has anyone with a T31 Extreme / Hyper / Safari bars found a suitable thin roof basket that will fit on the crossbars between the rails?

Unlike 'normal' roofrails & crossbars ..the Hyper rails are actually higher than the crossbars .. so there is a maximum of about 32-34" of available crossbar width beween the rails. Most roof baskets are wider than this ..meaning they cannot fit between the rails.

Looking in the usual places, I cant find a decent roof basket less than 38" width ... anyone managed to find a slimmer one? ... 30-32" width would be perfect. I can find bespoke slim ones from specialist companies ..but they are only 22" wide... and cost a small fortune.

Any ideas?



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Hi Graeme.
How far below the top of the hyper rails is the top of the crossbar?

My roof basket is approx 5.5" deep and indeed just on 38" at its widest at the top. The perimeter of the basket at the top is a 1" RHS section. The mesh of the basket is welded to the underneath side of the RHS section and about 1/3" from the edge. The mesh slopes towards the bottom of the basket so that but about 3/4" below the start of the mesh the width is only about 35" and tapers down to approx 33" at the bottom.

It may be that the bottom of my basket will fit on your crossbars between the rails and at the top overhang the rails without the sides of the basket actually touching the rails....if you can visualise what I mean.

Hope you understand what I am trying to explain.

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hello Dave .. yes, I do know what you mean. That seems unusual as most roof baskets I have found tend to slope the other way ... so they are narrower at the top and wider at the bottom. I guess that helps to 'grip' whatever is up there.

The top face of the hyper rail crossbars are about 1.5" lower than the top of the rails themselves...

Does your basket have a brand & model no.? .... or can you post up a pic maybe? .... appreciate the help with this.

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Managed to get some time this arvo to take a photo.

ImageRoof Basket - Copy2 by D P, on Flickr

Width across top of basket between the RED indicators 37 and 5/8 inches.
Width across basket just under top RHS support between PURPLE indicators 36 inches.
Max distance across bottom of basket between ORANGE indicators 34 inches.

From top to bottom of basket along the slope is 5"
Length of basket is 49 and 1/2 inches.

p.s. Look up (GOOGLE or Whatever) Prorack Mesh Basket for some retailers selling similar

Hope this helps. I'm not sure where I got it from but think maybe SuperCheap when it was on special.

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Ahh ..I see now - thanks for the pic. Thats a 'proper' basket ... the ones that slope the other way are the likes of Rhino Rack etc. ..they look all aerodynamic n stuff ..cost a lot more but do the same job.

No matter, I've just re-measured my crossbars and there really is only 32.5" of flat rubber surface on the top of the crossbars. Any more than that and the 2 large 'grommets' at the ends will be sat on ..and they are a bit thicker and therefore not the same level as the rest of the crossbar. If they become compressed they will probably deform a little and not seal against the rail covers properly ...

Honestly, those Hyper rails might look nice but they are proving to be a bit of a pain .. pretty much HAVE to get the proper Nissan crossbars, which was an ordeal where I live. Then a suitably narrow rack/basket becomes an issue .... Really need one with a maximum mounting width of 32.5" / 825mm .... As I said, I found a long narrow one which was only about 24" wide ..but it was a specialized thing with a price tag to match ..US$300 as I recall ..without shipping!!

I may be forced to buy one of those cheap generic aluminium section ones that arrive in pieces and are assembled by the buyer. I can then perhaps modify the transverse sections ..cutting them down a few inches to make a narrower version. That's a last resort though.

I'm amazed it is proving so difficult to find a basket around 30" wide ...

..I just googled Prorack mesh basket and went to the Prorack website ... some nice products there and I guess yours must be the Small mesh basket PR3200...875mm/34.5" width. Still, nothing narrower than that tho .. emoticon
I just had a thought tho ... what is the width between the narrowest part of the basket on the bottom? .. I'm thinking perhaps the crossbar 'grommet' will fit between the upright parts of the mesh? and therefore there will be no weight on the grommets?... heck, difficult to explain.. :/ ... like..in the bottom left & right corners..there is no front to back wire. The outermost front to back wires on the bottom are inboard from the corners a bit ... what's the distance between them? .. still may not be down to 32.5" / 825mm tho ... I really appreciate the help with this.


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Sorry Graeme I think you are still out of luck. The back to the front wires are welded to the bottom of the mesh but the width across from the outside of the 1st back to the front wire and the outside of the last back to the front wire is 33 and 1/16th inch....so those outer wires will probably sit on the "grommets".
The widest width at the bottom (which is the width of the across wires) is actually 34.5 inches as per the Protrack specs you mentioned....not 34 inches which I stated above.

By the way, each square mesh has internal measurement of 1 and 3/4 inches.

Anyway. Could you actually fit 34.5 inches in (the length of the across wires) and maybe cut some appropriate lengths out of the 2 outer back to the front wires so as to avoid the pressure on the "grommets"...a nick here and a tuck there so to speak.

Your clamps or whatever to hold the basket down onto the cross bars would need to be positioned away from any cuts but I don't believe cutting a small piece out of the lengthwise wires at 4 points would have much (if any) affect on basket strength/security etc.

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 hi Dave .. I think you just cracked it there my friend! emoticon .. there is total space between the rails of about 39" so the basket will fit. Cutting those outer wires would be just the ticket and enable the basket to sit 'flat' so to speak.

The only other thing would be the crossbar spacing .. it would really need to be exactly the same as the spacing between the 'squares' on the bottom of the basket... If you understand me ... damn its difficult to explain this stuff. Anyway ..my crossbar centres are 29.5" apart. So given that ..will the crossbars 'sit nice' in the squares?

Not sure what mounting hardware comes with the Prorack baskets .. I'll suss that out later..

Once again ..many thanks for the input ..great idea removing 4 bits of front to back wire ... keeping my fingers crossed about the mounting centres... emoticon

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Graeme,
First off I don't know if my basket is actually a Prorak one. I'm fairly sure that I purchased mine from Super Cheap Auto when it was on special and it may very well have been a prorack. It was some time ago and I don't have the receipt or any brand tags that may have been attached to the basket. I only know that from the pics on the Prorack site it sure looks 100% the same.

Anyway, I measured 29.5 inches along the bottom of the mesh (front to back) and bingo, nearly exactly a cross wire will sit in the centre of each of your 2 cross bars.
But that shouldn't be a problem anyway because the bracket bolts that were provided only need to be able to straddle your cross bar. It would be better I believe to have 2 basket cross wires sit on each of the crossbars. The bracket bolts should fit either side of the 2 basket cross wires and your crossbar. More secure. As well, when (if) you cut a length wire section between two cross wires to avoid pressure on the "grommets" you mentioned, it is those 2 wires that would fit on your crossbar....xxvcczx I think I explained that OK

The attached pic shows one of the 4 bracket that came with the basket. It is shown upside down from the way I use it. One of the aluminium bars is across the inside of the basket wires and your cross bar and the other under the basket. The 2 bolts clamps the aluminium brackets together.
 

ImageRoof Basket bracket by D P, on Flickr

The distance between the centre of the bracket holes (for the bolts) is 3.5 inches which is hopefully sufficient for the bolts to straddle your cross bar. If your cross bar is too wide then it would be simple to make your own brackets to suit and use the bolts provided. That is provided what your purchase comes with the same brackets as I received.

Once again good luck.

ps just read your previous post again and realise that it was your hope that the space between cross wires was such that the centre of a space sat on each of your crossbars to allow the cut off sections of the front to back wires to snugly fit around the grommets. It appears that you are in luck. With 2 cross wires on each cross bar the space after cut off should allow them to clear your grommets. Whew... I'm glad that you know what I'm talking about...I hope.
 
 

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haha ... I DO know what you are talking about Dave ... and I am so grateful emoticon ... the spacing sounds perfect

yes..those mounting brackets..or similar, will easily straddle my oval style crossbars.

I am scouring the 'net to find a retailer here...or somewhere that can ship here... thats the tricky part. Found a bargain used one on ebay.au for AU$90 ..but of course pickup only from Canberra...

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Graeme,
Just maybe we are making things a bit more complicated than they need to be. You stated earlier that there is about 39 ins of space between the hyper rails and that there are "grommets" at the end of the cross bars.

Would it not be simpler to obtain two lengths of firm rubber matting or the like, about 36 ins long and thicker than the heights of the "grommets and as wide as your cross bars.

Simply place the rubber strips on top of the cross rails and clamp your basket so the ends near the grommets are actually sitting at the same level or a bit above the level of the grommets. Your clamps don't need to be at the very ends of the crossbars to hold your basket in place and there should be no pressure applied to the "grommets"

This also means it may be easier to obtain readily available baskets that do have a 38 inch base but barrower at the top. If the sides of the basket are sitting above the grommets because of the rubber strip spacers then all is good.

You could also permanently attach the rubber strips to either your crossbars or attach them in position with cable ties to the bottom of the basket.

Thick rubber lengths of conveyor belt material or better, cut strips from a rubber mat etc should be easy to obtain.

just my thoughts in an attempt to make things possibly easier for you.

cheerio again

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