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Date Registered: 04-2014
Location: Central Coast NSW
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Headlights and high beam


Hi Guys;
My first time so please be gentle.
I have read several of the posts and still have some burning questions.
I have heard that the Nissan Xtrail has poor headlights/ high beam.
I pick up my 2010 T31 MY10 on Saturday and would like some feedback as to your opinions/suggestions for headlight improvement.

It was primarilly due to the feedback on this forum that I chose a Xtrail, that and all the negative press I found about the other choices I was considering.
It seems that Xtrail owners have less to complain about than other vehicles.

Back on the subject.
This Xtrail is to be used mainly for transport to work (80k each way every day)
But it also needs to be capable of pulling my boat, launching and retreiving it on good to poor ramps. (my boat is a Stabicraft weighing about 1200 kgs fully loaded)

The journeys to and from work are on the M1 (the old F3) and are done for half the year at night, hence the need for good to better lighting.

Is it better to just up the globes, fit specalised lighting or just fit a couple of extra lights.
Money is an issue as the car cost me 20k and I will not have a job in 12 months (or sooner), so the best/cheapest option is my aim.

Alternatly, if you guys feel that the existing lights are ok, please let me know.

Thanks for your help.

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Date Registered: 07-2013
Location: Cowes Phillip Island Victoria
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Hi Valkie, one of the best upgrades is to fit the IPF FatBoys, these are internally braced to extend life on rough roads, and are higher in wattage on low beam than high, so you get a real good low beam and the high beam is still up to the task, not cheap at around 160 bucks a pair, but well worth it if you do a lot of night driving.

Many other options out there but this is the best I've found, I've tried several other globe types and been happy with them, but he grin was ear to ear with the FatBoys! emoticon
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Date Registered: 04-2014
Location: Central Coast NSW
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I was out driving last night.
It was raining and to be totally frank the standard headlights and driving lights were pathetic.
I could barely see more than a few metres in front of the car and the high beam didnt seem to do much more than just making everything brighter, no depth or distance.

I drive a reasonable amout in the dark, generally freeway driving.

I have had a look for the IPF Fatboys, but the three places I have tried have no idea.

they vane also asked me a question I cant answer.
My car is a late 2010 T31 MY10 ST
Nothing fancy, just basic.

The headlights have a row of little lights seperating the blinkers from the headlight and driving light.
The headlight is about 60cm dia and looks to have a lens fitted, you cant see the globes because of this lens.

The driving lights are clear and I can see the globes.

Is there any chance that these could be HID?
Or am I having myself on?

Assuming they are standard lights, is it possible to up the power without hurting the headlights?
If so how high can I go?

Sorry about being dum, but I really like this car and I want the lights to be as good as I can get.

Cheers

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Date Registered: 04-2014
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I went to the local spares shoppee last week.
Bought what they said was the best for my car
They stated that I couldnt power up, or it wouyld melt the wiring, so its 55s for me
after forking out $130.00 the headlights are adequate, but high beam is a total joke.
Slightly better than two candles behind a smoky window.

Im assuming I cant power up the driving lights, so Im off to purchase some REAL driving lights to take over for the claytons driving lights fitted.

The car is great, love driving it, but the lighting is well down the scale of effcetive.


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A vehicles real purpose in life is to tow a boat
Guy Fawkes is my hero (Born 13/4/1570, Murdered 5/11/1605)
He was only trying to do the right thing
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Date Registered: 09-2012
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Hi Valkie.

I'm curious...what did the shop sell you that was the 'best for my car'?

Replacement bulbs? HID kit?

I have Osram Nightbreaker bulbs in mine (just for low beam), and they make quite a difference over the standard bulbs.

Cheers,
Mark

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Date Registered: 12-2013
Location: Mt Isa, QLD
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Hi Valkie,

I have the same year model as you but as it was built in May it is a series 2 :-(
But that hasn't stopped me putting all the mods on in the world to make it magnificent.

I too am looking to upgrade my driving low beam and high beam to match the 6000K coloured LED bar and HIDs. So at Supercheap Auto Narva have replacement bulbs that state brighter whiter light compared to the yellow sad looking lights I currently have. These light globes are priced between $60-$80 depending on the intensity one wishes to achieve. Does anyone have any opinions on these particular globes? These bulbs are ADR approved too.

I believe HIDs are legal to some extent (especially as new cars have them pre-installed), while LEDs are illegal and are intended for "off-road" use only.

Lastly, I don't want my lights to be too bright like some of those jerks that come towards me at night in the opposite direction when they're using low beam and I can't see the road ahead of me. So hopefully these would be good behind the wheel and not imposing from the other direction.

Can anyone comment on these?

Cheers,
Ben

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None of the aftermarket HID set-ups are legal when fitted on cars that are not meant to operate with HIDs and don't have headlight washers and auto headlight levelling.

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Date Registered: 07-2013
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Hi Guys, my 2 cents worth. HID's: Heading Into Disaster, is my term for them, unless fitted to a projector type lamp they will always dazzle oncoming drivers, even when fitted to them they still DO NOT WORK CORRECTLY.

As Jalal has very correctly stated, they need to be constantly aimed correctly, so a self leveling unit is a must. And washers are included into the system as dust on the lens will cause the emitted light to suffer from diffraction, and break into a blinding haze that the driver can only just detect but all oncoming drivers will hate you for.

This also apples to normal types of headlights as well, it's just that at the colour temps of HID's and their output intensity, it becomes noticeable much earlier.

I am sick of being blinded by know it all Wa@#ers, who think they personally know better than a group of Highly Educated and Industry Trained Engineers who spent years developing a cars lighting systems.

Yes improvements can be made to standard manufacturers offerings, but retro fitting of HID's is not the answer.

It is currently under review as to whether or not these units will continue to be able to be imported into Australia for road use. If the review finds that they are to be banned, hefty fines will be enforced for anyone found illegally importing them, even privately, and anyone found still using them, will also face fines. It is already being suggested that all Police vehicles Australia wide be fitted with equipment (that is rather cheap) that can detect illegal colour temps and the use of illegally aimed lights and the use of HID's in the wrong enclosure. Hey my eyes and I would say most Police Officers eyes are capable of that, it is just another enforcement tool, and I say bring it on.
   
I have a relative in the Auto Electrical Wholesale supply business, Lighting is his specialty, and we were talking today about it, he no longer imports HID's as he was advised by his legal team, that in supplying them he could be held liable for damages, if they were found to be a contributing factor in an accident.

These were making up a pretty good portion of his business, he was supplying Phillips ones, so quality German manufactured ADR compliant units, not cheapo Chinese made units.

So I then asked him a few more questions, Narva, IPF & Hella will no longer supply him with globes above 65 Watts. Hella has already withdrawn all stock above 65 Watts from major outlets, you may still find some in servos, but they will be tracked down shortly too, and removed, again this is a legality issue.

Yes you can still get up to 110 watters from Hella, but only after you provide them with a CURRENT CAMS License, and sign a disclaimer stating that they will only ever be used in "SANCTIONED OFF-ROAD COMPETITION".

So they are taking this issue seriously, Narva will be following suit soon and IPF have started withdrawing products from the Australian Market already.

Enough of that, what can we do.

Right, in H4 globes there are some very good replacements available, I personally recommend and Use IPF FATBOYS, in the original Augustus, awesome globes well suited to the application, very user friendly, Designed for use with spotlights, so LEGALLY 65 watts on low beam and 55 watts on high beam, reinforced filaments for use on shocking roads, a colour temp that will not blind oncoming drivers and will pick up animal eyes very easily, 7000K colour temp lamps will not reflect as much light from animal retinas from certain angles, and are so bright the animal will involuntarily close it's eyes, so well, now you see them, now you don't.

Take a flash photo of your dogs eyes from different angles if you don't believe me, Photography flashes are usually between 6000K and 7000K, (I am a Professional Photographer, so this is my ballpark, I know what I'm talking about here, when it comes to the dreaded RED EYE) Now get an old low K value torch, not an LED one, and shine it in poor old rovers eyes, from almost any angle you will get some eye shine, now take an LED on with a high K (Kelvin) value and it pretty much only generates Eye Shine "RED EYE" in animals from straight in front.

I was also a Feral Camel shooter at one time, best results were always achieved with low K temp spotlights, brighter is not always better!

On the new Augustus V 2.0 I have fitted Phillips 100% H1 & H11 globes, I am still undecided as to what to fit in the H8 Fog Lamps.

I am very impressed by these Globes and Autobahn currently has them at 1/2 price so get them while they last. This is under cost by the way, they are massively overstocked and have to move them.

Nice colour temp, awesome amount of extra light and reach on high beam and a pretty decent boost on the low beam too.

I took before and after photos and will post them soon. I used the exact same settings for both photo shoots, so no camera trickery. They pick up reflectors heaps better and the same for animal eyes.

Now LED Light Bars and Spot/Flood Lamps.

There are no available ADR compliant LED Light bars on the market, NONE, ZIP, NADA, they are all illegal, even if fitted and not connected, and cannot be used on Australian roads, full stop!

Now LED Spot/Floods, there is ONLY ONE, repeat only one available ADR compliant brand available, and that is the ARB LED intensity Flood/Spots. Yes they are Bloody Expensive, but they are the only legal ones available at this point in time.

I use the ARB LED Intensity Floods, and love them. I have tried both beam patterns, go for the Floods, ultra wide light spread, even better if you wash them over each other by pointing them both slightly inwards. I've done around 15,000 km's with these fitted, they have saved me from hitting several animals, I would have hit a huge Buck Deer on the Coorong, if not for the wide spread of the beam, spot lights would not have shown him up at all, as he started to cross the road as I was nearly on him. In my opinion paid for themselves right there and then. The Minister of Finance in our household was not convinced until that point that they were worth the price tag, she now recommends them, NUFF SAID!

So My 2 cents worth and then a bit, but believe me if you hit me with illegally aimed lights or incorrectly fitted HID's, you'll cop a very quick flash of the ultimate legal set up, that will make you rethink your problem lights!

Happy Snappin' Darren J Callesen, AKA Augustus the X Trails Dad

PS I'm also very annoyed at the number of people getting around with only one head light working, even spotted an RACV tow truck tonight with one headlight out! And at least 5% of all vehicles down our way have lighting out. Bring on yearly roadworthies!






  

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Date Registered: 04-2014
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Very detailed Augustus;
Im with you on the one eye motorists,
but my other pet hate is bloody fog/driving lights, or as I term them "Look at me lights"
Why must everybody who has these damn things have to have them fully illuminated all the bloody time.
Is it because they have so little grey matter that they cant work out how to turn them off?
Perhaps they are so blind that they cant see without them?
Or is it that they just hate other people from being able to see on wet nights?
Whatever the reason, Im fitting 100 watt spots on my beast just to let them know Im not happy with being blinded, so Ill give a bit back.

The other night I hasd a whole row of cars (I counted 9) in a row all with their "look at me lights" on.
With the rain I could barely make out the road from the reflection of so many lights.
My night sight was stuffed for a good 30 seconds once they passed.

I asked a guy one night, at a set of lights, if he realised that it wasnt foggy at the time.
His response was unprintable, his turetts was obviously playing up.
When are the cops going to chase these morons off the road, I think smashing the lights would be adequate deterrant.

Rant done
I goo sleep now

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Guy Fawkes is my hero (Born 13/4/1570, Murdered 5/11/1605)
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quote:

AugustusXTrail wrote:

Now LED Light Bars and Spot/Flood Lamps.

There are no available ADR compliant LED Light bars on the market, NONE, ZIP, NADA, they are all illegal, even if fitted and not connected, and cannot be used on Australian roads, full stop!

Now LED Spot/Floods, there is ONLY ONE, repeat only one available ADR compliant brand available, and that is the ARB LED intensity Flood/Spots. Yes they are Bloody Expensive, but they are the only legal ones available at this point in time.

I use the ARB LED Intensity Floods, and love them. I have tried both beam patterns, go for the Floods, ultra wide light spread, even better if you wash them over each other by pointing them both slightly inwards. I've done around 15,000 km's with these fitted, they have saved me from hitting several animals, I would have hit a huge Buck Deer on the Coorong, if not for the wide spread of the beam, spot lights would not have shown him up at all, as he started to cross the road as I was nearly on him. In my opinion paid for themselves right there and then. The Minister of Finance in our household was not convinced until that point that they were worth the price tag, she now recommends them, NUFF SAID!

  



Seriously? again with this? This has already been discussed to death in this thread. There is no specific ADR for LED light bars. They cannot be illegal.

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