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Date Registered: 11-2012
Location: Broome
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i want one mate. STAT

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Date Registered: 04-2014
Location: Snowy Mountains
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i was tempted to buy a VET but if the block of DET is the same ie: engine mounts and gearbox match, ill be on the front foot as one of the guys i work with is giving me a donor motor!

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hmm i don't know. my mate did say that silvia guys like to use the VET heads as and I quote 'they go hard' haha i will ask him and see what he says.

the issue is you aren't swapping a VET engine for a DET engine. you are swapping a QR engine for a DET. so its really irrelevant if the det and vet are able to be interchanged.

I asked my mate for curiosity sake if the vet and det use the same mounts and i asked him how i could find out if the QR and det use the same mounts etc. i will let you know when he gets back to me.

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Date Registered: 11-2012
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So my mate said a rear wheel drive det engine can't be swapped. What is your set engine out of? But a pulsar det is front wheel drive so it 'might'. but that's a non turbo engine isn't it?

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Date Registered: 10-2006
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and it won't have the transfer case for the rear wheel propshaft

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Date Registered: 04-2014
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The plan is to use a FWD SR20 for the transplant.

Slightly off topic but revelant.. i have a 1984 toyota supra(factory NA) in the garage with a 1993 supra(twin turbo) motor under the bonnet, outside of fabricated mounts, power steering line and some electrics i was able to mount the motor to the factory gearbox using parts fom various toyotas. no not much fab work required

As maxgmoore said above "the issue is you aren't swapping a VET engine for a DET engine. you are swapping a QR engine for a DET"
I guess the aim of where im heading with all of this is to actually transplant an SR20xET into a T30 that has the QR20 and to do it with minimal to no fabricating.

We know that the T30 xtrail GT has a SR20VET. now the VET and DET heads are interchangeable, thats one thing. what i need to find out is if the DET block from a pulsar or GTIR are the same as the VET in the GT xtrail. if they are then a FWD DET will/should just about bolt up to the T30 xtrail, provided things like engine mounts and mounting points are the same between the GT and the STD xtrail model

the other twist to this is as revhead kev was saying about the gearbox and transfer case.
depending on what gearbox the GT uses against a standard xtrail. are they the same? this would most certainly make the whole process alot easier... fingers crossed ! failing that next to compare would be a GTIR gearbox against the xtrail to see how "different" they may be


ill keep researching and keep you all posted
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another thing to consider will be upgrading the breaks. it might not pass engineering with standard breaks

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Date Registered: 10-2006
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I don't think the Xtrail GT had any different brakes Max.

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Date Registered: 11-2012
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fair enough, my question is, when putting a turbo engine in a non turbo car in australia what needs to be done to get it engineered?

i only ask as when my friend changed the engine in his SSS from a non turbo to a turbo he was required to upgrade the brakes for it to be engineered, from this I thought that it should be a factor to be considered if mick was to go ahead with this swap.


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Date Registered: 04-2014
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as previously noted, i have a modified toyota supra in my garage and have been working on it for 6+ years
ive spent alot of time reading the NCOP(national code of practice,link below) and various visits to my engineer to confirm that everything i was doing was above board and met all the required standards. my car did get a bigger brake upgrade i did that off my own back as i felt the increase in power was way to much for the weight of the car. as it turned out i needed bigger brakes anyway


anyway this is taken directly from the NCOP:

2.1 CHOICE OF REPLACEMENT ENGINE
A manufacturer’s standard or optional engine should be selected and installed using all the
standard components for that vehicle model. However, where this is not practicable, the following
requirements should be met:
 Any replacement engine should be of similar mass and power output to that of an engine
fitted by the original vehicle manufacturer as standard or optional equipment;
 When the replacement engine is larger in power output than an engine offered by the
vehicle manufacturer as standard or optional equipment, the vehicle must be equipped
with any necessary upgrading of equipment, e.g. brakes, front suspension, etc.; and
 The power and/or torque of the replacement engine must not exceed the capacity of the
vehicle driveline.

then you can get technical with Recommended Maximum Engine Capacity

All vehicles originally weighing less than 800 kg:
Original mass (kg) x 3.0= max. capacity in cc’s for NA OR
Original mass (kg) x 2.5= max. capacity in cc’s For Turbo/supercharged

All vehicles originally weighing between 800 kg and 1100 kg:
same as above but x 4.0 for NA and x 2.75 for Turbo to get max. capacity in cc’s

and finally All vehicles originally weighing more than 1100 kg
as above x5.0 for NA and x 3.0 for turbo/supercharged

So the T30 lobs in at around 1415kg from memory so i can take motor size up to 4.2l NA and 3.5l turbo
as the SR20 is only a 2litre its fairly the same as the QR but with a turbo.

brakes will most certainly be upgraded in my opinion but if the GT xtrail has the same brakes as the norm, then upgrding is bonus brownie points!

check the site for tons more info

http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/vehicle_regulation/bulletin/vsb_ncop.aspx

Cheers
Mick

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