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Date Registered: 02-2004
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His is a Series 2.

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Date Registered: 05-2013
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The question is gentlemen, now that the remove & clean has not cleared my problem, should I now take the main sender out (co-located with the fuel pump, I believe) and hope that will be the final fix???

Your opinions would be much appreciated. Installing "kitchen sink" today, so fuel sender will have to wait a bit!

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jalalski wrote:
His is a Series 2.


Yes, I just noticed his byline.
I was confused by this post: http://baustralianxtrail.runboard.com/p2073918#post2073918 which mentions a Series 3. My mistake.
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Uphil, I wouldn't bother, unless for self-education.
My results of cleaning these tracks (both main and sub-tanks) were great: 13 segments.
Unfortunately, on the next fill, I lost a segment.

My wife filled up yesterday and 4 segments were missing.
Interestingly/ frustratingly, some 50kms later and 'only' 2 segments are missing.

The inconsistencies of the sender unit(s) is what I find a nuisance.

And...it seems no-one outside of Nissan's nerve centre *really* knows the cause.

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Date Registered: 05-2013
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Thanks Mrbox for that advice. I will surely take it. The gauge and warning when the tank gets low seem fairly reliable.

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If you have the extended warranty you should be covered for replacement. Had mine done recently.

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I have a 2004 Ti-L Auto with around 175000ks. My gauge started mucking up 12 months ago as in inconsistent empty events with light on. I pulled both units out and cleaned tracks with a green scourer but despite some improvement from right side sender not much changed for long. Local Nissan dealer quoted around $1200 and big job. What a load of nonsense. I can remove and replace both units in 15 minutes or less. I would refuse to pay any more than 1 hours labour if you get the work done by a dealer.
Make sure your tank is on the empty side of half before attempting. Open fuel cap to release pressure and use a lot of common sense re fire and explosion! Use long nose pliers to squeeze the green fuel outlet prongs together so you can release the hose by pulling. They can be quite tight. Expect a little leakage. It can be hooked underneath over the fuel line so you can get clear access to the retaining collar.
Use a large rubber mallet to hit a flat edged bar such as a jemmy bar for removal and refit. The screw collars turn approx. 2 whole turns and should have a mark which lines up with a corresponding arrow on the top of the sender unit. I will attempt to upload some pics. The silicon spray sounds good. I used a little vaseline and it certainly makes it easier. Replacing the collars requires pushing down to get them to clip over the edge before screwing otherwise it is difficult to get the thread to start without crossing. Do not overtighten as you will split the rubber seal and leak fuel. It cost me $42 for a new one.
Finally got frustrated enough yesterday to have another look. I found my left hand pump unit has a max. full tank resistance of around 5 ohms and an empty resistance of around 50 ohms. It also has soldered connectors apart from the crimped spring connection to the swinging float arm. Mine seems OK. The black fuel balance hose can be disconnected by lifting the bottom plastic lock tab and pulling the unit down off the metal connection tube. Make sure the float doesn't get fouled by the black fuel balance hose when you put the unit back in.
The right hand unit seems to be the culprit in my case as it was reading around 16 ohms on the full position. I got it down to 1.6 ohms by pulling off the brass terminal connectors and polishing the tabs with emery. It is the easier unit to play with as it doesnt have the fuel line or pump unit attached. The flat spade terminal clean seems to have made the difference. Filled up today and fuel gauge is showing above full.
I suspect dodgy chemicals in the fuel eventually effect connections. I remember AU Falcons having fuel sender issues linked to the sulphur content of some SE Asian fuel bought into Australia during the early 2000s.
I have added my pics to photobucket. Copy the following url to access. http://s1312.photobucket.com/user/papawoodsie/library/T30%20X%20-Trail%20Fuel%20Sender?sort=3&page=1

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Hi Naveed
Great info on sender units , on my T30 have a problem on the lower half , when gauge is showing just under half full it can drop to empty in minutes , so from what you are saying seems I have a problem with the (pump) side unit that has the three hoses & electrics going to it , can you confirm this
Many thanks
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Date Registered: 04-2016
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Mrhox wrote
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Does anyone know if any other Nissan uses the same dodgy fuel sender units as per this topic?

(I found out the Dualis shares the same display and the American 'Rogue' has a very similar display, but not sure if the fuel senders are shared between all three models.)



(Again, apologies for flogging an old thread, but I am a newbie)

The Maxima also had a similar issue (90's models) and I know at least a half a dozen other different Nissan owners/models that have also mentioned the same issue. I have ordered a cap sender remover tool and will have a bash at this fix in a couple of weeks, work permitting.

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Date Registered: 06-2016
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The information provided here helped me to repair my lady's T30 XTrail on the weekend.

We were quoted $460 to replace both fuel sensors.
I pulled the sensors and cleaned them according to the information given and now the fuel guage works perfectly - without spending a cent. emoticon
It took just over half an hour - which belies the quote claiming 2 hours labour.

Now I only have to find why the vehicle will suddenly veer right or left without warning (not accelerating) when driving down the highway. emoticon

Thanks again !

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