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Well got the call today and the starter has been fitted and now the throttle body is playing up like all heck and not holding revs!

I still have the Navara till Monday but they say it will take at least 4 hours to re fix the current problem with the throttle body and I did tell them no rush as I am liking the Navara even more even though it is a 2wd and not a 4wd.

Yes I think she may feel that her days are numbered with me but little does she know I will not part with her and if I get something else the exy would have to stay with us.

Regards Scot

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I dont think it was ever a starter motor problem and its not a throttle body problem. Sounds like the dealers are chasing their shadows...could be failed battery, failed negative terminal connection, failed negative connection to anywhere in the engine bay, failed positive connection to the starter motor..plus many more possible faults. Might actually need some real FAULT FINDING, and not guesswork. .If its a failed throttle body,what code are they getting on Diagnostics?

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Thanks Dave for the info and as for the codes I have not been told yet as I have not been back to the dealers since Thursday and I feel it was the starter as it acted like all my other cars in the past with a starter problem.

As being a Battery problem I would not get the response from it like I have and as being a negative or positive short it would do it constantly and I am sure I would have more problems than just starting and I am sure the car would not have run at all!(I could be wrong)

The starter motor from what I have been told sends out a magnetic field and that has interrupted all the electrical's in the car and that the Navara has the same problem at this stage and that is what they have based the information on!

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It would still be good to get the error code from them, so we can match it up with the ECU error codes we have.

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Will do Jalal and when I get the car on Monday I will ask for as many codes as they are willing to hand over!

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The starter motor from what I have been told sends out a magnetic field and that has interrupted all the electrical's in the car



Someone is trying to pull the wool over your eyes with that statement Scot.
Yes there is a magnetic field generated in the starter motor as that is the basics of an electrical motor and how it works ... the fixed part of the motor has an electrical winding to create a magnetic field and the rotating part of the motor has another winding to create another smaller magnetic field which changes the + and - polarity as it turns by the use of brushes. This makes the + of the rotating part align with the + of the fixed part and so they repel each other making the motor turn.
But all starter motors are like this on all cars and if this caused a problem then all cars would have the same fualt as yours.

My suggestion is to have the throttle open, throttle closed and idle air relearn procedures done to reset all throttle parameters in the ECU and then see if the problem is still there.

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Thanks Kev and will ask Monday if they have done a relearn on it as well!

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The starter motor from what I have been told sends out a magnetic field and that has interrupted all the electrical's in the car


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Someone is trying to pull the wool over your eyes with that statement Scot.



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I dont think it was ever a starter motor problem and its not a throttle body problem. Sounds like the dealers are chasing their shadows.




Need some decent fault finding, not parts changing...or compleye BS emoticon
(from the mechanic/dealer/stealer/DIYer/etc)

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If Scot is not paying for the new parts being added to his T31 exy, why complain? emoticon

I wouldn't object for them to try and renovate my exy in the process by putting new parts in without me paying a cent emoticon


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Provided they are also "paying" for the time to get to and from the dealer, the hire car, the inconvenience of having the car off the road while they chase a fault.
Provided the warranty on the new parts is 3 years from the date of install...might take them 3 months to renivate the car with new parts, and the problem may still not be fixed.
Bit of a worry, really.


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