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Date Registered: 06-2011
Location: Suffolk, United Kingdom
TOTAL POSTS: 6
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Re: Bullbars & Nudge Bars under threat by the Federal Government


Your scenario sounds like a very unusual one. I'm sorry to hear that your bumper is being hit so often. If you have gone to the extent of installing CCTV, then perhaps there is a bigger issue with the location in which the damage is taking place? I.e. this would be the case with anyones car? I'm also pretty sure you can get a new bumper for alot less than £800 from a scrap yard.

To be fair, if it's not the bumper taking the hit, it will be the finish on the nudge bars.

Perhaps structural benefit was the wrong word. What I mean is, if there was a head on impact with another car at speed, the bar is unlikely to help much.

My point about pedestrian safety is that the front of modern cars are designed to flex to reduce injury. Try pushing the front wings, they are very flexible. By having a solid metal bar of any kind of the front, you are increasing the risk of shattering a shin, breaking ribs, or if it's a child, hitting them straight on the head with an object that won't give way.

In the circumstances you have described I would reconsider where the vehicle is being left if possible. If you need a new bumper, check ebay for breakers.


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Date Registered: 10-2010
TOTAL POSTS: 64
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"Hello Adam",

Thanks for replying - My Xtrail is being `Hit` / Reversed into outside My Home in a Side Road in S.E. London - A `Normal Side Road` - Although it is near a Parade of Shops and a Railway Station - This is in a `Desirable Area` regarding `High Property Prices` etc - There is NOTHING that One could `Look At` that would Flag Up where I usually Park as an `At Risk` Place - Except for the Fact that at Present My Xtrail is Parked outside My Home All Day Monday to Friday -Unlike most People who live in My Road - Who use their Cars Every Day - So am I `At Risk` more because there are possibly 8 to 12 Vehicles per Day Parking behind and in Front of My Xtrail - I suppose the Answer is `Obviously Yes`.

I am not aware of anyone ever having Reversed into the FRONT of My Xtrail - Always the REAR - Which is `Lucky` I suppose - Or I would have Damage `Front and Back ! - But I stll find it `Unusual`.

You mentioned that even with the `Bars` that I would like to Fit to Protect the Bumpers - there would be `Marking of the Bars` - The Damage to My Xtrail Bumper is NOT actual `Impact` Damage regarding `Holes Chips` have been caused by `Strikes` - The Damage is `Cracking` of the Resin Bumper [Cover] caused when People have `Pushed In` the Bumper with the `Weight` of Their Vehicles when They have Reversed [I assume] into it - IF They had `Pushed` onto a 1.5" Tubular Steel `Bar` which is Attached to the Xtrail with Very Strong Brackets - attached to the Chasis - Only THEIR Vehicles would be `Damaged`.

Something that I also find `Strange` is that as the Xtrail Bumper is Higher than `Most` Cars - What Area of these People`s Vehicles has done this Damage to My Car ?? - There are a lot of Vans around this area during the Daytime - BUT - It cannot be that Only Vans have done this to My Car [?] - Although obviously there IS `More Chance` of being Reversed Into by a VAN - Re. Lack of Visibility behind them - "Please Excuse that comment" `Professional Van Drivers` - I mean the `Unprofessional Van Drivers`.

I have thought of the `Scrap Yard` route BUT - I have a Friend who has been `Looking` for 2 Years for a Bumper for His Xtrail - He has Damage from an `Accident` where another Vehicle ran into His Rear Bumper - He has become - at His Own Description `Fanatical` in trying to Track Down a replacement Bumper - `No Luck` in 2 YEARS - Trying Ebay - Internet in General - Scrap Yards - Car Breakers - Car Breaker websites - Xtrail Forums etc.

I have submitted Enquiries on the UK Xtrail Forum - and I have been in `Private Message Contact` with a few People on that Forum - No-One could suggest anywhere that I could even TRY.

I have also tried the Internet / Ebay - I have only found 2 `Damaged` Bumpers for Sale - These needed More Repairs than My Existing Bumper - They were `Not Cheap` and one Seller wanted £[sign in to see URL] P&P on Top of His Price - THAT Might be Appropriate for a NEW `High Gloss Bumper` for P&P [For Good Protection] - but NOT for an Already Damaged one ! - These not only needed `Repairs` but would obviously have to be `Painted` also ! - One of the Prices for a Damaged Rear Bumper was £[sign in to see URL] - PLUS £[sign in to see URL] P&P - THEN I would have had to Pay for `Repairs and Painting` [Spraying] - What would that Cost ?? And I have read that these `Colour Coded Bumpers` are NOT `Painted` originally [?] - I read that they are `Coloured` by some other `Plasticised Process` - SO `Spraying` might NOT even create a `Decent High Gloss [Black] Finish` ??

THEN - After all this the Bumper could be Damaged AGAIN Immediately after a Replacement was Fitted ! - When `Cracks` are Repaired I would be Fairly Sure that they would `Open Up` Immediately if any Pressure was applied - E.G. Someone Reversed their Vehicle into it !

Again I take Your Point about the Risk to Pedestrians - Especially Children - But when You mention the Flexibility of the Xtrail Wings etc. - The `Nudge Bars` that I would like to Fit are only at the Level of the Bumper - They do not Cover any of the Front or Rear of the Vehicle - They would just be the `Point of Impact` with another Vehicle - And I admit a Pedestrian - BUT - As I mentioned in My last `Post` - There is a `Large Steel Bumper` just behind what We are calling the Bumper [Decorative Cover for Steel Bumper] - So would the `Nudge Bars` cause any `Worse Injury` than the Steel Bumper - ?? -Impact Injuries` tend to be Broken Bones and Internal Injuries to Organs etc. would this really be any different from Small `Nudge Bars` - At Bumper Level ??

A Person Impacted by the Vehicle would still tend to Hit the Bonnet / Wings [?] - Except for a Small Child - Who would NOT `Go Up Onto` the Bonnet of `Most Vehicles`, The Decorative Bumper Cover on our Xtrails would only `Give Way` until it hit the Steel Bumper underneath - I cannot imagine that the `Clearance` between the Two is much more than 25mm / 1" - ??

"Thanks Again for Your Reply" - I am sure that We will `Meet Again` on this Forum.


Regards,


Chris.



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Date Registered: 01-2009
Location: Mandurah Western Australia
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Hi there CHRISMUR have you thought about fitting a towbar to your exy?.. I used to have a Nissan Urvan and suffered the same thing with some mental pygmy hitting the back bumper and also denting the back tailgate door more than once. So I fitted a towbar and beefed it up a bit by welding a length of 9m/m thick RS Angle across the back therefore strengthening the towbar. I also fitted additional 9m/m plates where the holding bolts went thro' the chassis.. Then with the tongue and the towball protruding out, suddenly the damage stopped.. But I did see some paint marks on my towball.. Worth a thought mate.... Al


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Date Registered: 10-2010
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"Hello Slowpoke 3"

"Sorry" that I did not reply earlier - I am on Holiday - and also - for some reason the Email notification that there had been a reply to My Post was diverted to My Spam Folder - I don`t know why that would have happened - But it meant that I only saw Your reply just Now.

Your suggestion is a Good One - and I have had this mentioned to Me before - But the damage to my Xtrail is mainly being caused when people reverse into it when Parking - Usually NOT a Direct from behind `Hit` - Usually they reverse into the corner third of the Bumper - Sorry about the description - I hope that You know what I mean.

Since the severe cracks have been caused there have been Impacts / Pushing onto the Bumper which are causing these Cracks to become worse.

The Problem seems to be that every day there are spaces being left in front and behind My Xtrail which are too small for all but the smallest of Vehicles with a good driver to get into - These spaces are attempted by People who either are not good enough Drivers - Or the Vehicles are too big for the Space - They find out when They `Hit` My Xtrail !

Thanks very much for Your suggestion - I do appreciate it.

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