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The link above includes an update on the latest government stance. Well done to all that completed the survey, it seems we have made progress.

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Some more news.

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emoticon Hi All
I have just read an email from Caravan and Motorhome on tour magazine, latest edition.
Looks like The trusted Old Bull Bar is safe and WILL NOT be banned, if you wish to read the article, this link ( [sign in to see URL]) should take you there.
The efforts of all 4WD & AWDer's should be commended for a job well done. Until next time, when the Government get's another bee in it's bonnet.

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Rod emoticon Don't Drink and Drive

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Hi Rod,

Good news indeed and ]HERE is the official government media release.

Well done to all who has voiced their concern and took part in the survey.

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MEDIA RELEASE
The Hon Catherine King MP
Parliamentary Secretary for Infrastructure and Transport
24 February 2011
CK006/2011
 
 
Pedestrian Safety and Bull Bars

The Parliamentary Secretary for Infrastructure and Transport, Catherine King, restated again that the Government will not be banning bull bars.

"Over recent weeks I have received strong feedback through the consultation process associated with the Regulation Impact Statement (RIS) proposing the adoption of an international standard on pedestrian safety," Ms King said.

"Following careful consideration of the views and concerns put by individuals and stakeholders, I have decided that the proposal is not suitable for Australian conditions and I have directed the Department to withdraw the Regulation Impact Statement," Ms King said.

"While the Government is committed to improving the safety of pedestrians, we also recognise that bull bars play a positive role in the safety of vehicle occupants.

"In no circumstances will the Government consider banning bull bars or contemplate any lessening of the protection they provide. We are committed to ensuring that people remain fully protected in animal strikes and other hazardous situations where bull bars play a key role," Ms King said.

Ms King has now asked Department to consult with interested parties on the options for improving pedestrian safety.



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Ms King praobably owns a 100 series Landcruiser with half a ton of steel on the front, he he.

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I've noticed Nissan are saying they currently don't have any genuine Nudge Bars.

Wonder if they hedged the outcome of the current situation by running down stock?

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They probably haven't yet obtained stock to suit the new shape Series 3 and 4, as the shape of the bumper is different from the previous T31 versions. Try and ask them if they have any stock to suit the T31 series 1 and 2.

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"Hello to All",

I hope that this is NOT too long after the `Last Post` on this Subject - For Me to `Add To` it ??

I hope that You do NOT have this `Law` banning `Bullbars` / `Nudge Bars` etc. `Imposed` upon You.

I thought that You might want to read about what happened to Me recently regarding Fitting `Nudge Bars` to My Xtrail:

I wanted to fit these as I have had Damage done to My Rear `Bumper` by People Reversing into it - this has happened so Often that the `Bumper` [Decorative Cover] is Cracked - Each time this happens again it is Obviously putting Pressure onto the Cracks - If I replace the `Bumper` I would DEFINITELY want to Immediately Fit `Nudge Bars` to Protect it.

I decided to `Check` with My Insurance Company - Just in case that they would `Not Approve` this `Modification` - They told Me in no uncertain terms that they would NOT `Allow` ANY kind of `Bars` to be fitted to My Xtrail [Or any other Vehicle].

I wrote back asking WHY - Fully Expecting the `Safety of Pedestrians` to be Quoted - But they told Me `We will not reveal our `Underwriting Policies` - as they are `Commercially Confidential` - So they would NOT Explain why I could NOT have these and be Insured by Them !
I had Sent Pictures of the `Nudge Bars` to them when I Enquired - to show that I did NOT mean `Bull Bars` - They would not allow ANY kind of `Bars` to ANY Area of the Vehicle.

When I Telephoned them during the `Enquiry` - out of Frustration I mentioned that perhaps I should have `Forgotten` about Asking them about this [I was NOT serious]- And just had the `Nudge Bars` Fitted - After all I see `Bullbars` and `Nudge Bars` EVERY DAY when Driving about - Even in the London Area - People Fit these Bars for `Appearance` - NOT for [Their] `Safety`.

I was TOLD - `Just as well that You DID Ask Us about these `Bars` - as IF You had an Accident You would NOT be Covered for these `Unapproved Modifications` - We would have REFUSED Your Insurance Cover - For `Breaking our Rules` about Asking / Informing Us about ANY Modifications to the Vehicle ! - I cannot see that as being `Legal` [?] - Especially If someone was Injured ! - BUT I would NOT be the One who `Takes it to Court` !

When I mentioned again that I see `Bullbars` etc. Every Day - Too Many to be Insured with some `Fly by Night` Car Insurance Company - These Insurance Companies ALL stated `It seems Doubtful that these examples that You see would be `Correctly Insured` If/ When they were involved in an Accident [`Vehicle Collision`] ` - Words to that Effect !

I was `Aggravated` by this as I wanted to be able to `Protect` the Rear and Front of My Xtrail from being Damaged - At the point of this `Problem` with My Insurance Company I was within 3 Weeks of My Insurance Renewal - So I started `Searching` Online for `Good Quotes` - That is another `Story` - as Insurance Premiums in the U.K. have risen by an `Average` of 35% from Last Year ! !

When I got a `Short List` of Insurers - 6 Companies - I contacted them ALL by Telephone to Ask about Insuring My Xtrail WITH `Nudge Bars` Fitted [I stated that I wanted to fit them] - EVERY Company REFUSED Me Insurance with this type of `Unapproved Modification` !

I was recommended an Insurer who would `Accept` this Modification for a Higher Premium - BUT as I was already going to be Paying 22% More than last Years Premium - AND Because I felt that IF I fitted the `Nudge Bars` - I would be either `Stuck` with THAT Insurer - Purchase Insurance Online /Offices in Gibraltar ! - OR Find that I had to Remove the `Nudge Bars` to get back with a `Well Known` / Reputable Insurer - I have `Had To` Forget about fitting these `Nudge Bars`.

My Xtrail is STILL being Reversed into - Only Today I caught someone doing that ! - They may have `Just Touched` my `Bumper` BUT each Time the Weight of the Vehicle is Definitely causing the Cracks to `Flex` - And several times has caused the Cracks to `Elongate` ! - This IS going to get to the stage where the `Bumper` HAS TO be Replaced ! - It is Already `Unsightly` ! and I expect that `Water Penetration` will also `Accelerate` the Process.

I `Hate to Think` what the Cost of a NEW `Bumper` [Decorative Cover] would be ?? - And THEN it could be `Damaged` again the `Next Day` ! !

"Sorry" that as usual My `Post` is very long - I would `Guess` that the U.K. Car Insurance Companies are using the `Safety of Pedestrians` and the `Extra Vehicle Damage` that CAN be `Inflicted` by any type of `Bars` as an excuse in Refusing to Insure Me with `Nudge Bars` on My Xtrail [?] - They are DEFINITELY using the `Fraudulent Injury Claims` after Accidents as the REASON for the `Average` 35% Increase in this Years Premiums ! ! - It has been stated in the Media that the U.K. Car Insurance Companies have NOT `Made a Profit` [Car Insurance Only] for `Years` - Because of the `Massive Increase` in `Fraudulent Injury Claims` [Blamed mainly on `Eastern European Gangs`] and the `Large Increase in the Costs of Vehicle Repair` - Obviously You have to `Read Into` that the Fact that They are Obviously `Making Money` on Their OTHER Insurance Policies - Home Insurance - Holiday Insurance etc. - OR They could NOT remain in Business !

I Hope that the Australian Government does NOT [`Behind the Scenes`] Instruct the Insurance Companies to `Refuse to Allow` Insurance with `Bullbars` / `Nudge Bars` Fitted to Vehicles - Although these `Bullbars` must have been `Designed` with `Rural` / `Outback` Australia in mind Originally !


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Just to add to this,

It was always my understanding that bullbars / nudge bars / bars of any kind where for protection of the vehicle and it's occupants in the event of a collision with something like a large animal (horse, deer, sheep etc).

In the UK, Bullbars are legal, but are generally fitted for appearances and have no safety or structural benefit to the vehicles they are fitted to. Generally in the UK we have little to nothing in regards to wild life that is likely to walk into the road and be hit (most often small rabbits and birds). Not to say it never happens though, I know a man who hit a deer head on and ended up with a written off car and various parts of a deer in his back seat. Bullbars themselves also have a safety impact on pedestrians however, as a pedestrian being hit by bars is more likely to suffer fatal injuries than if they hit a bonnet (hood) that is designed to flex with impact to reduce injury.

However, for you guys in Australia I understand that bull bars are almost essential in some areas. For that reason I would almost encourage people to get them fitted!

I suspect a balance needs to be found here. A bar design that will allow for sufficient protection in the event of a collision with an animal, but also a design that will attempt to reduce the injuries sustained by pedestrians and animals being hit.

Good luck! I hope the outcome is a positive one.

 

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"Hello RoobUK",

Originally I wanted to Fit `Nudge Bars` to Protect My Xtrail `Bumper` [Decorative Cover] - I Obviously realise that something like `Bullbars` are NOT suitable to Fit on My Vehicle in the U.K.

When You state that these `Bars` - In My case `Nudge Bars` only - have `No Structural Benefit` to the Vehicle that they are Fitted to - If I had these `Nudge Bars` on My Xtrail I would NOT now be looking at approx. £[sign in to see URL] [If I am Lucky] to replace the Bumper [Decorative Cover].

AND - If I do Replace it [It is looking Bad] - The New one could suffer the same Damage ! - Perhaps within Days of the New one being fitted !

I do NOT want to start thinking that I Personally am `Very Unlucky` - But My Xtrail has been `Reversed Into` about 6 Times [That I have been aware of - After the Fact] in 14 Months ! - With the Cracks that have been caused by this getting worse each time !

Presumably although the Bumper is made from `Resin` [`Water Resistant` - ?] when Winter comes the `Freeze` / `Thaw` process - even with `Minute` amounts of Moisture - WILL cause these Cracks to `Open Up` ??

These `Incidents` have caused Me to Install CCTV - JUST directed at the Xtrail - When I can Park outside My Home [On the Road] - which is `Far from` - Always - I have NOT `Caught` anyone Reversing Into My Xtrail since the CCTV was Installed - `Sods Law` !

I do realise the possible Safety Issues regarding Pedestrians - But If I do Fit `Nudge Bars` and I were to Hit a Pedestrian - Depending upon the Circumstances - They would still `End Up` on the Bonnet ?? - Remember that `Just behind` the Bumper - `Decorative Cover` there is as far as I know a `Big Steel Bumper` [?] - with regard to Impacting the Legs of the Pedestrian [?] - But I suppose that any `Bar` would cause more damage to Their Legs - ??


What would YOU do in the circumstances that I have described ??


Regards,


CHRISMUR

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