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WARNING - Not all CV drive shafts are compatable with Xtrail


Hi all,

Had the front CV drive shafts replaced with new and started having problems with the 4WD electronics. Symptoms were LOCK light came on after driving for a couple of minutes in Auto Mode, then 4WD light started flashing another couple of minutes after that.

Service manual says ...
"LOCK light will come on in Auto Mode if sensed wheel speeds between front and rear are different. This is normal"
"4WD light will flash to indicate possible overheating of rear transfer due to difference in speed between front and rear wheels."

So, after much looking and comparing, I found that the teeth on the ABS sensor ring of the "compatable aftermarket" CV drive shaft were wider than on the genuine part and the gaps between teeth were smaller. From this I can assume that the sensors are misreading pulses and the electronics are getting fooled about true front wheel speed.

Everything is fine in 2WD because the pulses are only used for ABS operation and the number of pulses for each rotation are not relevant.

Just a kind word of warning.

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Kev, are these online items, or substitutes installed and purchased by a mechanic?
Be good to know who to stay away from, if required in the future.
Hope its all sorted

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This particular one is from a CV joint and driveshaft supplier and reconditioner.
His parts manual says it is compatible and he has sold more than 20 to independant mechanics but this is the first Xtrail he has fitted some to himself.

He understands the problem and is trying to find out more information.
Worst case is that he has to recondition my old ones and refit them.
Just not looking forward to the hassle over costs. Should be no problem about parts return since the driveshafts are not fit for purpose, but the double labour charge for fitting and then refitting will be something I am sure he will argue and I shouldn't have to pay either. We will see on Monday when he gets another chance to sort out the problem.

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What's the difference in price buying them new and genuine from a dealer compared to what you have experienced now with incompatibility and does it worth the hassle?

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$220 each for a new complete driveshaft with 40,000km warranty.
$150 each for a reconditioned complete driveshaft with 20,000km warranty.

Nissan want $110 just for the CV boot and no guarantee on what your old CV joint is like after running dry without grease for an unknown time. Even the dealer said they would have the original driveshafts reconditioned rather than getting new genuine parts due to cost.

I initially went for the new driveshafts, but if a compatible unit can not be found then I will have my old driveshafts reconditioned. This will work since they will have the original ABS sensor rings.
If I find out there is a 100% compatible new unit I will post the part number and supplier here for everyone.

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All fixed.
See if you can spot the difference between the original (left) and aftermarket compatible driveshafts.
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As I mentioned in the first post, the ABS sensor ring teeth are completely different. This plays with the 4x4 system not being able to sense correct wheel speeds.

In the end the only ones suitable were reconditioned Nissan driveshafts.

Interesting thing ... the shudder I had with the old driveshafts AND the new compatible ones has gone with the reconditioned Nissan driveshafts. I know the original CV's were worn and that's why they had the shudder, but now I think the compatible driveshafts also have a CV angle problem with the Xtrails rather than just the sensor ring teeth.

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Yeah, the teeth gullets are definetly wider on the original shaft.
It also appears that the input shaft is longer on the original where the spline stops near the CV.
The spline on the new one runs further towards the CV.


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I would've expected if they were both replaced with new ones (as you stated) then they'd be identical to each other?! Or is it due to differences between front-back that's the problem?


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Hi Rich,

Yes it was a difference between front and back wheel speeds that was the problem.

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Sometime after my short sway-bar arms were replaced (both ends popped out of sockets) I've noticed over the last several months blobs of grease around the wheel arch and nearby suspension components. The outer drive-shaft boot is dry, however the inner one (nearest the gearbox) is covered in grease, particularly around the inner-most clamp (which holds the boot in place). I haven't cleaned them yet to try and find any holes, and I'm probably jumping the gun by blaming the workshop that repaired the sway bar for damaging the boots, and as I've just done the 90,000km oil change so it's probably about time they busted anyway. The lift could've also been a contributing factor in the leaking grease, even though we have barely been offroad since doing the lift (only once, which was the roughest we've ever done!).

No knocking, so the drive-shaft/CV joints are probably still OK, but is it worth just changing the boots, or change the whole drive-shaft (assuming that's what's done when you get reco'd CV joints).

Kev, care to elaborate?



Initially I was going to only replace the boots and could not decide as I mentioned earlier between $110 for a boot or $150/$220 for a complete driveshaft with warranty. Labour would have been about the same and not knowing how long the CV had run dry was a factor to consider.

I eventually decided on the complete drive shaft replacement when I started getting a shudder from the front because of the worn CV joints running without grease.


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I moved this reply here since it doesn't really deal with the suspension lift.

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The "compatable aftermarket" driveshaft was sourced from a local Sydney CV & driveshaft centre but as I mentioned later was not campatable and changed back to reconditioned OEM driveshafts because of the incorrect ABS teeth sizing on the outer CV fooling the 4WD system with incorrect rotation pulses.



Yeah, I read through the original thread and I would like to say thanks for letting us know. You probably saved a lot of people from a considerable amount of trouble by reporting what you found out.

The reason why I was interested in that particular driveshaft was the inner joint which I haven't been able to get anywhere separately. Also, a friend of mine, who is a mechanic, told me that it would probably be possible to remove the ABS ring from the stock driveshaft and fit it on the aftermarket one, thus eliminating the problem of the 4WD system getting confused. You just have to be really careful when removing the ABS ring since it is apparently easily cracked.

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