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Date Registered: 10-2009
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Where is the T31 use of a WDH prohibited?


Noting that the T31 towbar design is significantly different to the T30 - (presumably to overcome the problems experienced with tearing of the boot floor etc,) does anyone know just where Nissan prohibit the use of a weight distrubution hitch on he T31 - the best I can find is a statement in the owner's manual on page 5-33 that "Vehicle damage resulting from improper towing procedures is not covered by NISSAN warranties. Information on trailer towing and the required equipmwnt should be obtained from a NISSAN dealer". I know that Haymen Reese do not advocate the use of the WDH, but maybe this is a carryover from the T30?

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Date Registered: 05-2010
Location: Adelaide
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Re: Where is the T31 use of a WDH prohibited?


That's all I found too.

I don't know where the "Recommended not to use a WDH" comes from!

Investigating further I came across a Landrover Discovery forum where someone had a reply from a manufacturer that stated "No Car with ESP should EVER use a Weight Distribution Hitch".

If this is correct then you would never really know until the ESP is triggered by some driving predicament and then of course it may be too late to remove the WDH. Who knows!!!

Perhaps this is why current models "seem" to be OK with a WDH because the chassis seems to survive them ok (I think)

I noted in the T31 Drivers Manual that even an non genuine or worn muffler can trigger the ESP to be Off so the system is sensitive.

Perhaps the way a WDH modifies vehicle dynamics is the problem and not chassis strength.
Perhaps this is why all Nissan Vehicles carry the reported recommendation.

Nissan are behaving very poorly and giving minimal information about a critical safety issue.

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I'm lucky enough to have a 'proper' tow bar place near where I live. ie. it's a family business that actually knows what they're talking about, and they've been fitting tow bars to all sorts since the beginning of time.

Anyhoo, I went in to ask them about fitting a WDH to my T31 in order to tow a Jayco Hawk [sign in to see URL] appeared particularly knowledgeable on the subject, and went to a great deal of time and trouble to talk me out of buying one. Apparently, the problem is that the WDH places stress elsewhere on the chassis that the XTrail is simply not designed for. It is the 'twisting' forces that cause the issue (and damage!) apparently. He actually had photos of people who had ignored this advice and damaged their XTrails as a result.

Happy with keeping the $600 in my pocket, I took my T31 on a long run up hill and down dale. Coincidentally, it was the same run (with the same camper) that I had done the previous weekend using a 2012 Mitsubishi Triton.

The result?

The T31 towed perfectly, even better in my opinion than the Triton. It certainly had more pull up the hills, better braking, and was considerably more comfortable. Sure, the rear end seemed to drop a little when I hooked it up, but this was hardly noticeable from the driver's seat. The steering appeared unaffected.

Probably best that I don't mention the fuel consumption though...

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Date Registered: 10-2009
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Re: Where is the T31 use of a WDH prohibited?


Certainly the twisting force is the issue - and there has been plenty of evidence of that with the T30s, but I haven't seen any for T31s. Quite surprising that Nissan still does not make a statement re using WDHs. I agree that the X-Trail is a quite competent tow vehicle as can be seen by the many towing smaller caravans - but as you say fuel consumption does become an issue.

Colin

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Date Registered: 05-2010
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Re: Where is the T31 use of a WDH prohibited?


I find the following "Unbelievable"!!!

from Nissan forum regarding WDH on a Nissan Patrol - the Industrial Strength Legendary tough tow vehicle!!

"you'd expect to use a weight distribution hitch (WDH) to transfer some of the ball weight from the rear axle back onto the front. However, as you can see from the towing capacity sticker on left-hand barn door, Nissan does not recommend the fitting of load levelling or weight distribution devices when used with a genuine Nissan towbar."

Nissan is, perhaps, lacking credibility here, it would seem to me, if it is apparently recommending not to use a WDH across all its model range without providing a technical reason for owners to consider.

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