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Date Registered: 08-2008
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Diesel - Engine fault light and a fault code that does not exist??


Have a problem with the engine fault light coming on and recording a fault that the dealer claims is not a fault for my model.

When it originally came on there were no problems running the car and I had it to the dealer the next morning. They checked it out, said the fault code generated was not relevant to my model car. They reset the fault register and said see what happens in the future (no I didn't get the code off the service guy....dumb).

The fault has come on again, but this time with symptoms. When driving the other day (with the light on) I adjusted the temp on the auto air con and the car momentarily stalled but then continued on, then today while driving low throttle opening in a small suburban street at about 30 - 40km/h it did the cut out thing a couple of times again.

Anyhow I have the car booked in for first thing Thursday morning. Hope they can actually put some effort into it this time. I am going away up to Double Island thursday week with the family and some friends from OS so am not keen to experience problems when on a holiday.

Possibly throttle position sensor , crank angle sensor or some such rubbish. I havent had the particulate filter burn sequence occur since the car had about 800km on the clock (now has 8500km) so maybe it is that?

I am already over it, I stopped playing with modified cars for a reason, and my last two new cars didn't give me a seconds greif, now this from a near new car. I am moving from calm and reasonable to very pissed very quickly.

Anyone got any ideas that I could put to the service guys?

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Re: Diesel - Engine fault light and a fault code that does not exist??


Paul,

Maybe if they can give you a good we can have a better idea rather than guessing something that may be completely irrelevant to your car.

Get them to give you the code they're getting even though they claim it's not for your model, which is highly unlikely and very weird for them to say that anyway.

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Re: Diesel - Engine fault light and a fault code that does not exist??


If it was your particulate filter you would have another light on your dash, a yellow one that looks like someone passing wind so it wouldn't be that if you don't have that light on.

I think it was about 8500 or so KM when i had my particulate problem - i still think it was an ECU or trigger problem...

Pity you don't have a ECU reader handy - that would be a big help here.

Have you filled up anywhere different lately?

Let us know what they say tomorrow, and definitely get the code. Maybe print out the ECU error codes that Jal put in the particulate fault thread under the Diesel section - maybe they are looking at the wrong list? The T31 petrol error list said "air conditioner fault" or something when it was really the DPF..

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Re: Diesel - Engine fault light and a fault code that does not exist??


Dropped it off this morning. The guy handling it seemed to be pretty switched on with the Diesels. He was also going to look into a vacuum leak due to aircon and low throttle seeming to cause a problem.

Also noticed on the way to the dealer that could really hear the factory blow off valve working through gear changes and it isnt usually something easily heard.

My last tank had shocking fuel economy (10L/100km), but the driving was a little more stop start. The fuel was bought from my usual servo. I have since sought out and filled up at a BP and the fuel economy is the best I have had in some time. I did however do 50km of highway driving near the beginning of the tank (25% of km so far) so that may have skewed the figures a little.

I am not sure if fuel is the problem though, because the first problem arose and was dealt with more than one tank before the current problem. I have been previously using Caltex for 70% of my refills, with the other 30% being Shell. From now on I am going to use BP whenever possible.

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Spoke to the dealer on the phone and they are waiting for NISSAN to tell them what to do.

The girl I spoke to told me the two problems. One related to the ASCD System and what I thought I heard as the EGD System.

Looking at the fault list previously posted in the DPF thread is am assuming there is a fault with the steering system (ASCD) and EGR system. No idea what the EGR system refers to, but I musn't be alone because the dealer doesn't seem to know either.

I have downloaded the manual but when extracted comes out as a file wanting to be burnt to CD, will have to get a CD to burn it to.

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Worked out that the EGR system is the Exhaust Gas Recirculation system and has to do with pollution control.

Rang the dealer and they are waiting for Nissan. Said apparantly Nissan had told them not try and diagnose it themselves prior to being advised by Nissan due to it being a brand new model.

Looks like I wont get it back today, which is a major problem as it is our only 4 wheeled vehicle.

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Ahh the pioneering aspect of buying a brand new car of a brand new model..

I remember with my DPF fault they told me they had to contact Nissan (They called it TechLan or something) to get advice.

Im interested in what these subsystems do, and how they are creating your symptoms.

Ill grab the manual now any copy out those pages..

*edit*

Im having troubles finding that other code in the manual. Did you see if hey had the consult II laptop there? Would be easier if we had the actual error code.

*more edit*

ASCD in nissan speak seems to refer to "automatic speed control device" or cruise control..

When the Engine MIL light is on, it disables your cruise control.. you can turn it on, but when you goto set it, it just blinks at you. I had this on mine during the DPF saga..

Looking towards an exhaust / DPF / error isnt it? :-)

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Yeah ASCD is the Auto Speed Control Device, but they think that is only on because it has been blocked due to the EGR problem.

The EGR Valve does apparently run on vacuum, and the mechanic originally thought maybe there was a vacuum problem.

I have the car back, dealer is still waiting for a solution from NISSAN. They are going to call me when they are able to proceed. I will probably keep it over the weekend and give it to them on Monday. They are going to rent me a car if that is the case.

The joys of only having one 4 wheeled vehicle and a child...... bad form to take a toddler on a scooter emoticon

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Date Registered: 09-2008
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Re: Diesel - Engine fault light and a fault code that does not exist??


I have always said it is not a good idea to own the first of any new model. Next time I will listen to that little voice inside of me.

I feel your pain Paulie.

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Re: Diesel - Engine fault light and a fault code that does not exist??


I don't mean to sound pessimistic about this, but hearing about a blocked EGR valve that remains in a closed position forces me to remember the turbo failures of the previous diesel xtrail model (2.2LT diesel) which had exactly the same fault.

I bet Nissan are in panic mode at the moment if it is the case, as one of the major selling points of the new diesel engine was the promise that they have addressed the EGR blockage which led to blown turbos of the previous T30 diesel models.

Here is an extract describing the effects of a faulty EGR valve and its impact on your diesel:

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The EGR valve should open to allow carbon dioxide (which acts as a cooling gas) into the combustion chambers when the engine is under load (>30% boost). This allows the combustion chamber temperature to drop and thus the temperature of the exhaust gases. If it sticks in the closed position the exhaust gas temperature will rise causing a) the turbo bearings to fail and b) engine oil into the induction system. This can cause the engine to run on its crankcase oil until it is either stalled or goes bang. Problems with EGR valves are often the cause of rough running when the valve is stuck in the open position as well. In several cases turbos have blown but the EGR valve has not been replaced. Inevitably the new turbo unit will not last long.



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