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Date Registered: 10-2008
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2nd gear popping out when not under load


Hey guys,

on occasion my x-trail pops out of second gear and into neutral. the easiest way for me to recreate it is to accelerate till about 5,000 rpms in 2nd gear, then let the gear slow me down (don't brake). at around 2,000rpm, it will pop out to neutral.

When i accelerate in 2nd, i can feel the gear stick pull downwards, and when i let it slow me down, i can feel some pressure upwards, which is probably what makes it pop out.

The fact that it doesn't happen under acceleration leads me to believe (hope) that it's not gear wear, but im not sure what it could be.

any help appreciated.

cheers,

Daniel

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Hi Daniel ..

What model X-Trail do you have, how old is it and how many Kms? (Update your signature in the control panel - it makes it easier for people to answer questions based on your Exy)

A family friend's Ford XR6 is popping out of 2nd and Ford's diagnosis is a new clutch - hasn't been done yet, so not sure if it's the solution. In my limited knowledge, I'd assume it was worn gears so it could be much more than just the clutch.

Is your Exy still under warranty?

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Hi,

thanks for the reply.

2007, T30 model. One of the last ones before T31 came out emoticon

it only has 28,000 on the clock.

I doubt it's worn gears - it never happens when it has load, only when decelerating and when the rpms drop down to about 2,000 - when it's least loaded.

way too new to be gears i would think emoticon

cheers,

Daniel

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Date Registered: 06-2008
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Re: 2nd gear popping out when not under load


Hi Daniel
In my experience one reason cars jump out of gear when decelerating is due to excessive movement in engine / transmission mounts.
When accelerating the forces on the mounts are in one direction and when you decelerate / back off the throttle the forces act in the opposite direction and if there is sufficient movement in the transmission relative to the gear linkages attached to the body ( at the gear lever attached to the floor ) it can pull the gears out of mesh.
I have had this problem before but only on high mileage cars, still I would investigate the mounts to see if they have excessive give in them.
Glenn.

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My opinion is the syncro's are worn... It was a common problem with the N14 (1992 onwards) and N15 (1995 onwards) Pulsars - always 2nd gear, too.



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Re: 2nd gear popping out when not under load


thanks so much for the replies guys.

I reckon the idea that it could be free play in the engine mounts is an excellent hypothesis! it would explain it perfectly. I'm gonna check that out! thanks a lot!

cheers,

Daniel

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I too have experienced this problem. Mine started after Lincorp set fire to my xtrail, they replaced the syncro on 2nd and has been stuffed ever since. And seeing that I have my reasons not to take it back to the dealer I will have to look into this problem. So I would be leaning more towards a syncro problem rather than the mounts.

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In all the manuals I (and my father & uncle) have driven, we have always been of the opinion that popping out of gear is a worn or out-of-adjustment (shimming) problem with the synchro.

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Re: 2nd gear popping out when not under load


Hello,

I have also experienced something like that, however mine is not popping out of the gears (yet). It has that backwards and forwards movement mainly into the forward gears (1 - 3 - 5), very small movement into backwards gears (2 - 4 - R). I had a look at the cables under the gear stick and only the right cable (shifting cable) is moving the gear stick, the left cable (position cable, I think) is not pulling or pushing the gear stick.
I have checked the movement of the engine while stationary, in each gear, and is barely any, however the gear stick is still pushed (the gear knob towards the rear of the vehicle).

Has anyone experienced the same thing or found a way to "adjust" the movement?
Any replays will be very appreciated.

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