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Date Registered: 01-2008
Location: Darwin, N.T.
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Athandevel wrote:

Whisk8, Thanks for sharing your experience with me. Which type of Cooper 225/65/R17 do you use? Is it an A/T? Reading one of your previous posts I thought you're using some Cooper 235/65/R17?

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Oops, typo there. I use 235s, they're Cooper ATRs. Sorry to confuse things.


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Date Registered: 02-2008
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clanXy wrote:
Hi. We also continue to ponder the whole AT Tyre issue for our T31 with 17inch rims. Has anyone actually replaced their 17inch alloy rims with 16inch steel ones? And if so, did you get new Nissan ones and how much were they? Our cheapest quote is $280, and there seems to be some angst among tyre dealers that the 16inch might interfere with the brake calipers. We have had no luck with trying to get non-nissan rims, either 16 or 17inch that fit!!
We need to take two spare wheels on our Kimberley trip and it's going to cost around $700 for the extra 17inch alloy, plus 6 new AT tyres!! Ouch! Probably go this way, but still want to know more about the reality of getting 16inch rims!!! And like the idea of a great choice of tyres.
By the way Cooper dealers are saying they do not have a tyre to fit our rims that are "legal" The 235/60/17 we are told, increase the diameter by 20 mm and the legal limit is 15mm. But we could risk it anyway?!




Hi Charles,

Did you get any response to your questions? When are you taking off for your Kimberley trip? We too, are considering the Coopers Tires, but the cost factor of shoeing the 17" rims is looking rather expensive.

I would be interested to know what other members think and have done themselves.


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Date Registered: 01-2009
Location: near Geelong, Victoria
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Hi Stephen,

We have the X Trail booked in for Yokohama Geoloanders next week. [sign in to see URL]. We have read some good reports of people who have used these on the Gibb River Road, so we will see how we go. We have decided to buy an extra Nissan 17" alloy rim so we can take two spare wheels. (Couldn't get an after market rim that fitted properly and was load rated OK.)

And yep!! It is costing $300 per tyre and $675 for the rim. But we figure we need to be responsible and feel well equipped on our trip. It is highly recommended that you take two wheels on the Gibb River Road. And we simply couldn't worK out from all the threads on this forum or from the 4 tyre dealers we have spoken with many, many times another legal way to do it all. Hopefully the rules will enlarge the diameter size you can fit after market eventually. Then we can legally get Coopers [sign in to see URL], which is what we really wanted to buy, but it is 9mm outside legal limits!!

We leave in 3 weeks and will let you know how the X Trail goes with the rugged [sign in to see URL] the creek crossings!!

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Date Registered: 02-2008
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Thanks for your reply Charles (thought you may have already gone trippin')

We're not heading off until early July (going inland to Alice Springs), so I think for the immediate time-being I'll look around for some 16" steel rims. Surely they're not hens teeth? I'm still relatively new at all this and I don't have a lot of spare time either, so it may take me a while to find what I think I'm after.

I'd be very interested to know how the Geolanders handle the rough conditions as well as general road handling. Are you towing?. We are planning to haul a camper trailer around with us, across the Plenty Highway (between Boulia and Alice), which is why I thought the Coopers would be better. I wonder if the Victorian regulations differ much in Queensland for tyre limits....

How long are you away for? I'll keep an eye out for your trip report and pics.

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Date Registered: 01-2008
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On a separate note, has anyone else encountered the problem of having the larger tyres not fit in the spare wheel well??? Whilst I haven't checked it physically, I don't think there's a chance in hell of it fitting in there so I'm left with the original tyre as a spare. Not sure how to overcome this other than mounting the tyre on the back of the car, which is kind of a waste of space...

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Yes Daniel, space is limited at the back for an over-sized spare tyre. I couldn't fit the 18" alloy wheel in there, so settled for the 16 spare in the same rolling diameter as my 18" alloys.

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The reason second-hand 16' rims are scarce is because the previous model had 15" steels and 16" aloys. So to get steelies you have to find a wrecked base model 07/08 Xtrail, or find someone who has replaced their steels from their base model with after-market alloys. One of our tyre dealers, who has a mate who is a Nissan dealer, said that people are just not upgrading their steels to alloys- given the problem we have had even finding a load-rated alloy, I am not surprised. People who want the alloys tend also to want 6 stacker cd players etc, so the get the next (or any other) model up.

So good luck trying to find some steelies.

Our local tyre dealer swore that Falcon BA+ series 16" steels would fit, so we tried them. Right offset, right size etc. Went on the back okay, but wouldn't go over the brake caliper on the front, which is a bit bigger. (due to the shape of the rim) Oh and it didn't fit snugly on the central hub.

So we tried a Territory 17" steel for a spare, which are a bit wider. (7.5") But we still have the same tyre problem, and it didn't fit the central axle snugly, so we gave that away. (Ironically,we were offered 4 s/h Territory rims for $240, or one rim for $300. Blah.)

So we have given in and gone with the expensive Nissan Alloy. It fits. It's legal. It's load-rated correctly. It won't mess with insurance or warranty etc.

Oh, and we're not towing, and we are going for three months. We've been looking at all this for 2 months.

From what we can tell, most of the states reg's are the same (no more than 15mm greater), but the Northern Territory seems to be a little laxer. However, they are according to "Australian Standards" so should apply there too.

Mind you, our tyre dealer said that if it was his car, he would go with the Coopers- he just can't tell us to. (He does sell coopers, of course.) Apparently the standards are being reviewed sometime this year, perhaps in light of the number of 4WD's on the road that don't comply!

We'll certainly put up a trip report when we're back.

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Just for your info i replaced my 16ich steelies for some nice 16ich Avanti Trex which were correct load rating and put back on the orig tyres, Bob j allso had some 16s that would fit but didn't like them.

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Date Registered: 09-2008
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Hi Charles,

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Mind you, our tyre dealer said that if it was his car, he would go with the Coopers- he just can't tell us to.



I was talking to a Coopers rep a 4x4/Camping show last weekend asking whether or not he knew of any plans to produce a tyre legally suitable for the XTrail (......they don't). We were talking about the legalities of putting oversize tyres on and the chance of the NSW RTA following the NCOP anytime in the near future (fingers crossed but probably not was the answer to that one!). I was surprised when he then told me that he estimated that maybe half of the 4WD's on the roads with oversize tyres are illegal as they have been fitted without getting the necessary checks or engineering cert's (I'm not actually sure what is needed), and that includes the Navara he had driven to the show. Not sure how accurate his estimate was and clearly we can't condone or recommend anyone fitting tyres that don't follow the RTA guidelines emoticon but it certainly gives you something to think about.

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Hi Paul

I too was speaking to the local tyre shop guy today and he also said something very similar re the majority of 4WD's driving on illegal oversized tyres.

The Coopers tires that would most suit my 17" rims are only 3mm over the legal size and he commented that if I were checked by the authorities after having driven a few hundred k's (or so), then they might wear down enough to be "legal".

The guy also thought the standards review is way overdue and will finally give his industry some positive guidelines to work within, as well as making it easier for his customers.

I haven't been able to find anyone yet, who can supply 16" steelies, but it's still early days.

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