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Date Registered: 08-2008
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Towing caravan with X-Trail manual diesel


I am seeking information and members experiences on towing larger caravans with the X-Trail. I note in other threads refereces to towing vans but we now have a diesel X-Trail that may influence more discussion. The rating for towing with the manual X-Trail diesel is 2000kg. I understand this means you can legally tow a caravan mass (braked) of 2000kg but how safe would that be? The manual diesel is rated at 360Nm but does the fact that it is only a 2litre motor affect its capacity to comfortably tow 2000kg? I also note in other threads the problems with Nissan Genuine Towbars and weight idstributioin hitches. I have been told by caravan distributors that the X-Trail can tow vans up to 2000kg and X-Trail car sales personnel indicate the same. So why am I still a liitle wary? I guess it is the size/weight of the vehicle and can it really tow a van approaching 2000kg. The other issue is the problem of towbar and weight distribution hitches. Your experience and advice is eagerly sought.
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Date Registered: 02-2007
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Re: Towing caravan with X-Trail manual diesel


Hi Girraween,

Over in Europe it is recommended that the laden trailer/caravan weight is no more than 85% of the vehicle weight (empty). On that basis the T30 would be able to tow something in the region of 1250Kgs safely, the T31 a little more say 1325Kgs. This is to make sure that the weight advantage in the combination driven is in favour of the tow vehicle.

Having said that it is not a rule as such, merely a recommendation. Having towed a 1350Kgs trailer behind our T30 personally I wouldn't put much more behind it, not even entertain the idea of putting 2000Kgs behind an X-Trail (let alone 3000Kgs behind my Pathy). But a lot of this depends on how you drive the combination, where the 85% rule in my view is aimed at people that have never towed anything heavy before. If you have a lot of experience towing and are happy to take it easy on the roads I'm sure you could better on the 85% rule.

I'm positive the manual will certainly hold it's speed better uphill than the auto box. From a capability point of view you wouldn't need to worry, I have towed a 1400Kgs caravan in a manual D22 Navara [sign in to see URL] (UK 2002 model) with 'only' 320nm and it's a like the van isn't even there.

Just make sure the trailer has brakes!

Edit: got the year of my Navara wrong. Doesn't time fly! emoticon

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Re: Towing caravan with X-Trail manual diesel


Ron

Thanks for the reply. The information you provided has been supported by other sources that I have researched since I posted on this forum. It would appear that the diesel X-Trail is more than capable of towing a large van (power and torque) but when it comes to sway/stability issues the weight of the towing vehicle is a factor. If sway develops in the van it may be like the "tail wagging the dog" with the X-Trail. The advice I have received not only from yourself but from others in the caravanning community is to utilise a heavier towing vehicle than the van being towed. One of my frustrations has been sourcing reliable and impartial information about the issue in this post and I am grateful for your response. Personal impartial advice is better than advice from vested interests. I will now look for a more suitable tow vehicle. Thanks so much for your help. My greatest disappointment is that I will not own a diesel X-Trail, it looked to be a fantastic vehicle.
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Re: Towing caravan with X-Trail manual diesel


No problem. I'm sure you won't be disappointed by a petrol X-Trail either! happy towing
Just out of interest, what are you planning to tow?

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Date Registered: 03-2008
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Re: Towing caravan with X-Trail manual diesel


My petrol T31 with factory fitted tow bar has a 2000 kg rating but it is only for a ball weight of about 60kg (would have to check the car sticker) and with increasing ball weight it derates by a few hundred kilos.

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Re: Towing caravan with X-Trail manual diesel


I'm aware of the 2,000kgs tow rating however would that be a sensible combination? It's probably fine to tow a boat out of the water and park it up a few hundred meters further up the dock but to take it on a trip around the country is something else.

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Re: Towing caravan with X-Trail manual diesel


Ron

I am in the process of purchasing an 18' Galaxy - Southern Cross in Brisbane.

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Re: Towing caravan with X-Trail manual diesel


Nice! But seriously, I would look for a heavier tow vehicle. Nissan has other options!

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Re: Towing caravan with X-Trail manual diesel


G'Day all,

Just back from a run up the Bruce highway to Townsville and return towing a Jayco pop-up camper trailer with our 2009 T31 manual diesel.

Anybody who is wanting the stats ... here they are...

The camper is a 1994 offroad model ... so it sits considerably higher than the standard ... which would undoubtedly affect resistance. Its tare weight is 820Kg, aggregate is 1070Kg, and it was reasonably heavily loaded.

The XTrail had 2 adults and three kiddies aged from 3 to 7 on board, and it too had a decent load.

Fuel usage averaged between a best of [sign in to see URL] and a worst of 11.0. The vehicle was particularly sensitive to uphill travel, where usage increased markedly (naturally!). There was always heaps in reserve though ... and we puttered along between 90-95Km/HR as indicated by the TomTom navigator - the speedo appears to indicate roughly 5Km/hr higher than the satellites.

On the rare occasions when we did overtake, the engine had bucketloads up its sleeve, however we are fairly light-on with the right feet, and never pushed it to its capacity.

No problems whatsoever during the few thousand Km we clocked up.

Interesting to compare these stats with the 1994 manual Landcruiser petrol ([sign in to see URL] "straight six" engine) which used to be the tow vehicle for this rig - averaged exactly 20L/100Km with the same driver under similar circumstances.

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Date Registered: 08-2008
Location: Mornington Peninsula,Victoria
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Re: Towing caravan with X-Trail manual diesel


Hi all, its good to here of some towing experiences with the diesel.

I have an 80s Jayco poptop, weighs in at about 1000kg unloaded. We tow this with a VZ commodore wagon currently. I also have a T31 diesel manual, but haven't towed with this because I don't currently have an electric brake controller in the car.

The thing that does worry me about towing with the diesel is the take offs. The engine has fairly weak power off boost (under about 1600 revs) and it has caught me out before. I have stalled it taking off on a steep hill with the air con on, you do need to give it a few extra revs. I'd be a bit concerned in the same situation with 1000kg plus on the back about having to really clutch it to get going.

Any thoughts?



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