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Date Registered: 07-2008
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those tyres look alright mate emoticon

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Date Registered: 06-2009
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I'd also just like to comment that I've had this same problem wth BFG All Terrains on a Patrol and have seen similar wear patterns on the front of other 4wds running this tyre.

One other bloke who ran some on a GU used to run very high pressures to get them to wear flat - something like 55psi (dependant on size and construction type of the tyre as well, don't try this if not a LT - light truck construction).

So my personal feeling is that this tyre is prone to the problem.

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The "problem" tyre seems to have settled down, so it might've been caused by not getting the wheel alignment done immediately after fitting the spacers. I guess more city km will need to be done to confirm this theory, though...

I have had a very close look at all the tyres and have noticed that 3 of them have worn on the inside edge, and one on the outside edge (or perhaps the other way around). I don't know if this has occurred since the last rotation, or has been a slow gradual process since having the tyres fitted (and wheels aligned back then). Seeing as it's the same wheel alignment machine both times, it might be possible their machine is out of calibration, or they're using a lazy technique ("I dialled it up for a slight toe-in, and she'll be right").

Just more comments to add to the list when I call them...


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Had my alignment and balances re-done today by the tyre shop. The slightly off centre steering wheel and pull to the left has been fixed, still getting used to the tyres, but will be keeping an eye on them.
Regular 5000km rotations, and swapping the spare through the mix, will hopefully see some regular wear patterns.
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"The customer is always right, except when the customer is in fact wrong"...

I'd like to update this thread to let you know the cause of the uneven wear on my BFG's...

It turns out the tyre pressures were quite low. Being such a stiff side-walled tyre, it was easy to miss. One was under 20PSI and the other 3 around 25PSI. No wonder he asked if I'd been offroad lately emoticon

For those that don't know, incorrect tyre pressures is one of the main reasons for poor tyre wear. I already knew this, and feel a right fool having been so ignorant myself, after pointing out underinflated tyres to many other motorists while sitting at traffic lights etc emoticon

Ooops!


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Rich,

Invest 10 bucks or so in a tyre gauge which you can always keep in the glovebox to save yourself the embarrassment and costly tyre replacements emoticon

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I've always been told to never rotate your tyres on new cars because the tyres wear to the suspension on that side of the car and if you change the tyre over it doesn't sit correctly on the road with the independant suspension. Or was i told a furfy a long time ago? emoticon

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The general rule of thumb is that radial ply tyres should never be switched from one side of the car to the other unless they are reversed on the rim, which I always did with the tyres on my 180B as the rears got chewed up on the inside. Front to back on the same side is quite OK provided the wheels are the same size (never had to rotate the wheels on the smart)

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rescue1 wrote:

The general rule of thumb is that radial ply tyres should never be switched from one side of the car to the other unless they are reversed on the rim, which I always did with the tyres on my 180B as the rears got chewed up on the inside. Front to back on the same side is quite OK provided the wheels are the same size (never had to rotate the wheels on the smart)



Yeah, that fits with what I've been told by tyre engineer colleagues, and what I've done since my first car in the 60s.

Typically I just put new tyres on the front, then move the old front tyres to the back (keeping them rotating the same direction - i.e. on the same side of the car). The spare is kept out of the mix (I just keep the "next" best tyre as the spare.

I tend to think that while rotation does even out the wear, it ALSO disguises the fact that there might be a problem. If a tyre is showing wear that indicates a problem (whether that's over/under inflastion, balance, alignmnent, whatever), I'd prefer to have the evidence visible rather than hidden becaue of the rotation. That way you can address the problem itself.

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jalalski wrote:

Rich,

Invest 10 bucks or so in a tyre gauge which you can always keep in the glovebox to save yourself the embarrassment and costly tyre replacements emoticon



I have one already, but it's sitting in the spare tyre with the jumper leads and air compressor. I will move it to the glove box for easier access, as you suggested.

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