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Date Registered: 11-2007
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Hi again Paul,
It's interesting that everyone is still talking about the rear springs, rear ride height etc - but many also mention the lack of traction at the front. As I said before, raising the rear ride height will NOT solve the problem which is weight lifted off the front wheels caused by hanging 150kgs on the tow ball, 1 metre behind the rear wheels! Paul, for safe towing you must get the weight back onto the front wheels and the only way to do that is with a weight distribution hitch. My exxy is virually level with 150kgs on the ball and a fridge in the boot with the standard suspension. I really should get a commission from Haymen Reese. Their stuff really works. I don't know where you live but I'd be pleased to hook up my van to show you.
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Date Registered: 10-2006
Location: Mona Vale, Sydney, AUSTRALIA
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Ken,

The reason most are talking about rear springs and suspension is that both Paul and Stevo don't want to discard their Tregg couplings for a conventional coupling so that they can use a Hayman-Reece hitch.

If you know of a way to put a Hayman-Reece hitch onto a Tregg coupling then I am sure both Paul and Stevo will consider it.

Looking at the Tregg coupling, it looks very practical to have and certainly more flexible for 4wd towing use so I can understand why neither Paul or Stevo want to get rid of theirs.

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Date Registered: 09-2007
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Kev
You are dead right. And there appears no way to use a hayman reese weight distribution hitch with a treg coupling. And even if I did swap coupling to standard and use a wd hitch, these wd hitches do have bits hanging down a bit too low for my liking, especially when traversing tracks with a raised centre mound. The best solution would be, as previously stated, progressive rate rear coilswhich give the best handling when both unladen and laden, but I cannot find anyone who sells these for an xtrail. Maybe someone could make them?

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Date Registered: 12-2007
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Hi Guys (Hammo, Paul & Kev.)

You have mentioned some very valid reasons for keeping the tregg hitch, but after reading the 40 pages devoted to this subject in the "Braking, Handling & Suspension / Suspension Lift" thread - I still think our answers are restricted to 3 options 1/ Extend the rear of the Dove and put most of our weight back there (Expensive & not as easy as first thought), 2/ HR weight distribution Hitch (Expensive and may reduce clearance), 3/ Better springs (Will help, but MAY not solve our problem on their own).

Below is my enquiry to King Springs and their answer:

I have a 2004 Nissan X-Trail, and My Jayco Dove Outback has a ball weight of about 150 kg.

Do you make "heavy duty" springs to "beef up" my rear end ??

Do I need to do my front springs as well as my rears ??

What can you recommend ??

How much will it cost me ??

I will install myself...


Answer:

Thankyou for your enquiry,
 
We have King Springs Part No's KDFR-46 (front) & KDRR-47 (rear) to raise your vehicle 35-30mm approximately from factory std height. You can do rears only if you wish, but certainly recommend to both ends to keep the car balanced and stable at both ends.
 
These springs are designed with an increase in spring rate of approximately 25%.
 
RRP is $ [sign in to see URL] + GST per pair front
RRP is $ [sign in to see URL] + GST per pair rear.
 
Please contact the following King Springs Distributors for a price & availability in your area:
 
Autobarn, AutoPro, Checkpoint, Fulcrum, Repco, Supercheap, Bursons & most leading suspension specialists.


My 2004 exy sags a bit at the back when unloaded so I fear that I will be forced into new springs anyway but I really don't want to lose my Tregg...

cheers

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Date Registered: 12-2007
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Oh, I forgot option number 4/ Buy a Patrol.......

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Date Registered: 09-2007
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Yes I just might swap my new xcy for another second hand patrol if I cannot solve these towing issues. Why Nissan decided to put the rear shocks through the coils is beyond me and I notice that the new xtrail does not have this but has the rear shocks and coils separate, as they should be. If a 4WD is used for towing then a standard towball with wd hitch just won't cut it for me as ground clearance is all important and a wd hitch loses this between car and van and I reckon will get caught on some tracks. If I had realised this shock through coil issue I would not have bought my xcy, so silly me. I researched everything about the car before buying, or so I thought. emoticon

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Date Registered: 05-2007
Location: Perth Western Australia
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I have a 2006 Ti-L Auto with which I tow a New Jayco 12' 6" Expanda with a Ball Down Load of 149kgs unlaiden. With the Boot and the Caravan carefully loaded I had a download on my Ball of 155kgs which is 5 Kg over the recommended limit, not a happy scene.
So I built a Spare Wheel Rack for the rear of the Caravan which quickly transferred 17kgs of spare wheel to the Rear plus the weight of the Steelwork which made a total of 32kgs to the rear of the Caravan, the Ball download now at a respectable 124kgs she sits well on the road with a set of single bar Load Distribution Bars.
I have been away with the Caravan since the modifications and she handles well with no unpleasant traits. By the way the Spare wheel rack folds down to gain access to the rear Door Holding the Bed.
I only place the vehicle in Auto when in the wet or when pulling out of a gravel lay-by and then return it to 2WD Mode.
When towing I always travel with the O/D OFF as the engine runs more freely and the fuel consumption is much better as the engine is never struggling on those long and almost undetectable inclines.

Happy Towing Guys.

Paul

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Sorry for the Triple [sign in to see URL] knows what went wrong there !!!

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Sorry for the Triple [sign in to see URL] knows what went wrong there !!!



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I think some people are putting too much pressure on the poor little X-Trail. It isn't a TRUE 4WD. It weighs less than a Falcon or a Commodore. It is above the competition in its class, but it is not a Patrol, Landcruiser or the like.

It's a light weight 4-cylinder vehicle. It's not a truck.

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