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Date Registered: 07-2005
Location: central coast nsw
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sorry, i know we are heading a bit off topic

but........

I do see your point about over loading the car, i should have mentioned that, one should never go over the payload limit of the exy. But an exy with a couple hundred kgs in the back still sags alot. Brett did the experiment when he first lifted his. He put a certain amount of weight in his and a stocker, and the stock suspension sagged about 4 times as much as his.

An increse in ground clearance in an off road vehicle is never a bad thing. the under carrige will thank you for it! But yes the exy is only a soft roader and should still be driven like a soft roader. But there have been plenty of things that the exy could have easily driven over only to find a rock or somthing in the way that would normally scrape. It has been at these times that im glad i had the lift. You only needed to hear how many time the stock exys took hard hits on the watagns trip, at sections that brett and I drove over without drama, to convince anyone

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Hey Paul,

Have you looked into some coil-overs for the rear ?
These, if sized slightly longer, could be normal ride height when adjusted DOWN and a lift for towing when adjusted UP.
The adjustment is simple by dual locking rings threaded onto the outside of the shock with the rings supporting the springs to either raise or lower the suspension.

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Hi Paul,
I don't have quite the same application as you as I don't have an off-road van but I do tow a 5.1 metre pop-top van with a total weight of around 1400 kgs and a tow ball load of about 150 kgs with no problems. The answer for me was the Haymen Reese load distribution hitch which keeps my rig level. All comments here so far have talked about the rear suspension but, for safe towing, you must get the weight back onto the front wheels. If you hang 150 kgs on the tow ball, 1 metre behind the rear wheels, significant weight is taken off the front wheels and this is added to the back suspension as well as the tow ball load and the load in the boot which is also mostly behind the back wheels. So the back drops even further and you loose steering and braking effectiveness. But, you can't use the Haymen Reese with a Treg coupling. I've never had my Exxy off road much but I'd doubt you would need the articulation of a Treg with the Exxy's off-road limits. (I'll sit back now and wait for the howls of protest but, really, we don't drive a serious off road vehicle, especially towing a van!)
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Yeah Ken, you are right. I am beginning to really discover the limitations of my xtrail compared to my previous GU patrol 2.8, although I did expect this to a certain extent of course. The xtrail is I will need to swap my treg coupling for a standard one in order to utilise a HR weight distribution hitch. I have also discovered that I must tow anything with a reasonable weight in AUTO mode as when in 2WD the tyres will often spin under even mild acceleration. The xtrail seems to tow just as well as my old GU 2.8 TD patrol as the torque figures are close anyway. As an aside, my kids want to know why the xtrail design genious did not allow for the rear windows to wind all the way down!


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Hammo9 wrote:

I'll sit back now and wait for the howls of protest



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my kids want to know why the xtrail design genious did not allow for the rear windows to wind all the way down!



Tell me about it! everytime someone gets in the back of my car they think the power windows are broken!

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As an aside, my kids want to know why the xtrail design genius did not allow for the rear windows to wind all the way down!



Two reasons:

1. Kids safety so they don't stick out their hands and heads.
2. There is no room for the glass to go down any further due to the design/shape of the rear wheel arch.

Most of my previous cars had the same and kids safety was the reason for this.


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I know that this is why they do it, but every car i have had has been about 100mm. they really should have designed this a bit better.

Wonder what the t31 is like

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G'day Paul'

I also have this problem- 2004 xcy, Jayco Dove outback, Tregg hitch, approx. 150 kg ball weight.

This combination certainly makes the front end very light - Bit Hairy in the wet going uphill !!

I'm looking at extending the rear bumper of the Dove and adding a bit of weight there to reduce the ball weight - Not real sure if that will work though ??

I'm thinking that a lift to the rear springs only might be the best answer..

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Hi Stevo
Yeah, the only thing I did not realise (I should have checked!) when I bought my new xcy was that the rear shocks run through the coils, rather than being separate, so no air bags can be used and noone makes air adjustable shocks for an xtrail. I reckon we must keep our dove water tank full as it sits behind the van axle so might help. I haven't done a decent trip yet after finishing our cross Aus trek with my dove behing my old patrol 2.8 TD in Sept. Injector pump went on that after dirty fuel in NSW so I decided to trade it in. I am heading off for Christmas with 3 or 4 of us on board so will see how we go with no mods to suspension at all, but xcy in Auto mode the whole way to try and stop those front wheels from spinning. I have thoroughly investigated the option of replacing the rear coils on the xtrail and this is not really going to be practical. If all 4 coils are replaced then nothing will really be achieved as the front / rear height difference will still be about the same. If the rear coils are replaced only, with heavier duty coils, then the back of the xcy will rise about 30-40mm over standard and when driven unladen the back will bounce around all over the place. Heavier progressive rate coils on the rear sound like the absolute best option but nobody seems to make these for an xtrail and I have searched Australia wide. So, if after my upcoming trip the whole rig tows awful, then my only option will be to sell the car and buy a vehicle that can get around these towing issues, of course at a financial cost to me!

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Hi again Paul,
It's interesting that everyone is still talking about the rear springs, rear ride height etc - but many also mention the lack of traction at the front. As I said before, raising the rear ride height will NOT solve the problem which is weight lifted off the front wheels caused by hanging 150kgs on the tow ball, 1 metre behind the rear wheels! Paul, for safe towing you must get the weight back onto the front wheels and the only way to do that is with a weight distribution hitch. My exxy is virually level with 150kgs on the ball and a fridge in the boot with the standard suspension. I really should get a commission from Haymen Reese. Their stuff really works. I don't know where you live but I'd be pleased to hook up my van to show you.
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