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Re: engine pinging?


Thanks for the advice Terranismo,

I'm certainly not noticing any drop in power on acceleration, on the contrary after the ECU upgrade, I'm noticing a very smooth acceleration and increase in power.

I'm just waiting for my 40K service and would certainly mention this noise to the dealer.

Between now and the 40K service, I will use the Octane Bosster and see if it makes any difference.

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Date Registered: 10-2004
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Re: engine pinging?


Since we're on the topic of engine pinging, what type of gas do you guys run in you exys? I use 95 octane with octane booster. I have my truck set to +17 in timing, and have my knock sensor grounded. So far no pinging at all and the truck really pulls.

BTW I finished installing the header and cold air intake. Anyone interested in info from these mods?

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Date Registered: 11-2004
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One additional note to make also in regards to cat [sign in to see URL] worked extensively in the automotive industry and experienced both sides ie aftermarket and dealership and it's a little known fact and even smaller in their warranty print but alot of manufacturers (and I don't know if Nissan's any different now) but if you don't change your spark plugs at the "correct" intervals, it causes a carbon build up and can stuff the cat convertor. These convertors are very expensive, Holden VS Commodores were $250 odd aftermarket (Walker who supply Holden the exact same convertor but in a red Holden box) or $400 to $600 from Holden depending on how good the salesman in parts is feeling on the day.

So make sure you change those darn plugs regularly.

Thanks and all the best

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Re: engine pinging?


nissanxtrail,

Our xtrails have platinum-tipped spark plugs which are supposed to last 80,000-100,000k's according to Nissan. (not sure how true is this, however)

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quote:

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BTW I finished installing the header and cold air intake. Anyone interested in info from these mods?



Yes emoticon

Perhaps start a new thread for it, though...


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Hi Terranismo,

Yeah, am interested too. New thread will be a good idea as Richi pointed out.

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Hi ya, I've noticed this pinging on mine. First noticed while towing a trailer, total weight 750kg. Since then ever now and then.

Has been noticed when using unleaded and premium. No loss in power noticed, seems to be doing nothing but make me nervous.

Incidentally, after 10k service the engine was slightly less responsive but smoother in operation. I suspect they did some sort of computer adjustment re fuel mix as mentioned here.
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Yes alot of new car manufacturers use "platinum tip" spark plugs which are normally made by the plug company, NGK in Japan. We use to sell these at Repco for around $20 to $30 each. Nissan especially love to use these platinum plugs, mainly because when it does come time to replacing them, Nissan can and will slug you anywhere from $40 to $70 each for the exact same plug with the selling point that you only need to replace every 80-100,000 kilometers. Very costly though when compared to normally NGK plugs at around $3 to $5 each which last up to 30,000 or 40,000 kilometers. (Damn those car companies, I hate seeing people being blatantly and blindly ripped off)

Also to all the Nissan fans here, please don't feel compelled or tricked by the salesman saying you must come back to Nissan for servicing in order to keep your factory warranties. It is utter BULLSH*T. Repco paid thousands and I mean thousands of dollars getting solicitors and lawyers to properly look into it and they came to the following verdict : legally you DO NOT have to go back to Nissan (or any dealership for that matter, Holden, Ford, Honda, whoever)to keep your factory warranty on a NEW vehicle.

As long as your log book is stamped by a licensed mechanic be it : Ultratune at Blacktown, Goodyear Tyre & Mechanical at Hornsby or Beaurepairs at Gosford (if there is one there ?) or Johns Mechanical business three doors up from where you live, and as long as the parts they use eg : oil filters, air filters, brake pads etc meet or exceed the manufacturers standard (which reputable brands like Ryco filters, Bendix brakes etc)
your warranty CAN NOT and WILL NOT be void.
The licensed mechanic must stamp (not fill in but actually STAMP) your book, your warranty CAN NOT and WILL NOT be void. It's the law.

If you do your own services or you get a mate to do it for you cause you wanna stay on the lounge watching Rex Hunt's fishing adventures, the dealership or Nissan don't have to stand by their warranty because there is no way of proving you did your oil changes etc at the regular scheduled service intervals.

If you buy a second hand car, and Holden have this wrapped up with their Holden Care or whatever crap they call it, the one Laury Lawerence and Brocky where advertising, they can insist that you must return to the dealership where you bought it for servicing to keep your warranty. Because the car is second hand and the dealership has effectively "paid" for that warranty when they accepted that particular vehicle as a trade is or outright purchase, they can insist you return there for your servicing and that way they are recouperated some of the cost of the [sign in to see URL] that makes sense. Picture this scenario : Fred buys his second hand VT Commodore from Suttons Homebush with a 100,000 km's/3 year warranty and drives home. If he spends $2,000 over the next year at Suttons in servicing fees and his $400 exhaust pipe falls off while driving to church on Sunday, he simply goes back and if it's proven a faulty bracket or exhaust, they simply give him a "free replacement" warranty.
Fred thinks he has done well but in actual fact, if he had the services done at a normal licensed mechanic, Ultratune for instance (only because they come to mind, please note I don't have affiliaton with them) it may of only cost him $1,000 and he would've had to pay the $400 to have his exhaust replaced however he would still be in front. But the free warranty idea does appeal to some people, especially the elderly, they feel special and feel if they have a problem then it will all be sorted out free of charge and no hassle to them.

So please, don't be fooled into thinking you have to go back to Nissan for your oil [sign in to see URL] you pay twice the amount for 4 litres of oil, 3 times the amount for an oil filter and air filters etc.

I know alot of people think that their local Nissan mechanics are better trained becauase they work eat and breath Nissan but these mechanics all did their apprenticeships with the same mechanical TAFE courses, they just chose to work at Nissan as opposed to Beaurepairs. Repco runs workshop training seminars called "Autotech" which are run in conjunction with the major car manufacturers and they use the same diagnostic euipment as the dealerships, I know because I use to sell them the machines. But if you feel a bloke wearing a pair of white Nissan overalls can do a better service on your vehicle and your happy to pay double, then go for your life.

And to the gentleman who towed a 750 kilo trailer and noticed the pinging, the extra weight on the back is why your car would've starting to [sign in to see URL] of the extra load put on the motor, same as when you plant your right foot up a steep long hill, like the Mount White hill heading north on the F3 freeway. Octane booster is the only short term answer until these basta*d fuel companies sell us fuel that is up to $[sign in to see URL] per litre standard. I might as well pee in the fuel tank, it would be just as good and alot cheaper.


Thanks for your time guys and remember "keep the dream alive".............sh*t, that's a Toyota [sign in to see URL]
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nissanxtrail wrote:
Also to all the Nissan fans here, please don't feel compelled or tricked by the salesman saying you must come back to Nissan for servicing in order to keep your factory warranties. It is utter BULLSH*T. Repco paid thousands and I mean thousands of dollars getting solicitors and lawyers to properly look into it and they came to the following verdict : legally you DO NOT have to go back to Nissan (or any dealership for that matter, Holden, Ford, Honda, whoever)to keep your factory warranty on a NEW vehicle.

As long as your log book is stamped by a licensed mechanic be it : Ultratune at Blacktown, Goodyear Tyre & Mechanical at Hornsby or Beaurepairs at Gosford (if there is one there ?) or Johns Mechanical business three doors up from where you live, and as long as the parts they use eg : oil filters, air filters, brake pads etc meet or exceed the manufacturers standard (which reputable brands like Ryco filters, Bendix brakes etc)
your warranty CAN NOT and WILL NOT be void.
The licensed mechanic must stamp (not fill in but actually STAMP) your book, your warranty CAN NOT and WILL NOT be void. It's the law.

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So please, don't be fooled into thinking you have to go back to Nissan for your oil [sign in to see URL] you pay twice the amount for 4 litres of oil, 3 times the amount for an oil filter and air filters etc.

I know alot of people think that their local Nissan mechanics are better trained becauase they work eat and breath Nissan but these mechanics all did their apprenticeships with the same mechanical TAFE courses, they just chose to work at Nissan as opposed to Beaurepairs. Repco runs workshop training seminars called "Autotech" which are run in conjunction with the major car manufacturers and they use the same diagnostic euipment as the dealerships, I know because I use to sell them the machines. But if you feel a bloke wearing a pair of white Nissan overalls can do a better service on your vehicle and your happy to pay double, then go for your life.



Thats very reassuring to know nissanxtrail. I've been taking mine to the local garage even since I brought it a year old. I beleive that my local guy is fairly honest, so would rather use him than an untried Nissan dealership up the road.

Often wondered if he has all the necessary whiz-bang computer equipment for doing the service, or is that stuff standard across all new cars these days ?





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Nissanxtrail,

I'm also not worried about voiding my "factory" warranty by servicing somewhere else besides the dealers, because I know that legally that can't do that.

I've been offered an "extended dealer warranty" for 3 years after the factory warranty runs-out, but the condition was that I MUST service my car at the same dealership where I bought the car from. This is stated clearly on the "extended" dealer warranty and will be void if you service your car elsewhere (even at another nissan dealership)

Honestly, I don't give a damn about the dealer extended warranty and I'd rather save myself a fortune by servicing my car somewhere that doesn't charge me triple for an oil change and/or filter replacement.

I have to admit that potential buyers of 2nd hand cars seem to be asking about the log books and dealership servicing more these days and it seems to be a comforting factor for most of these buyers. I have sold my previous 2 cars and the stamped by the dealership log books played a big role is determining the selling price.


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