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GeoffM
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Date Registered: 07-2004
Location: Sydney
TOTAL POSTS: 258
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Re: special licence for 4wd drivers
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petersxtrail wrote:
Geoff
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But I tend to agree that bigger 4wd's may need a special licience,
why, do you have evidence that it is required. What's different from a pajero to 12 seat mini bus. If someone drives a 2wd only prado is that included 
Yep, all "big" vehicles. I wouldnt mind having special training if the government enforced it.
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and bull bars really have no place in the city.
How would that be determined, would it have to be removed at the city limits, can it be done, where would it be placed. Arent bullbars required to undergo ADR compliance already.
Is it easy to remove your nudge bar. Because that falls in the same category
Nudge bars/bull bars are a menace to pedestrians. Unless you have a legitimate reason to have one (asthetics not being one of them), they should be outlawed**. Legit reasons could be rural, or member of a 4wd club. That would wipe out 50% of them just on that.
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BTW when they talk about 4WDs they mean you. The women on ACA last night that said how nervous she was driving her 4WD around in the city was driving a CRV.
So you can see the research that went into that story.
Trust me, I feel very uneasy driving in areas where kids are around in the xtrail. (eg caravan parks). Especially reversing. Hense why I've been looking into aids.
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The little girl was killed by a driver of a vehicle. Apart from harold and the rests poor form using her death as a promotion, its a beat up. And its not that the car was a 4wd, it the fact that shool drop off and pick areas are uncontrolled and unable to meet the changing environment where more children are driven to school because parents dont like them going alone.
So I say the coroneor should go forr it and do the right investigations and come up with the right solutions. The anti 4wd garbage is unrelated. The same thing happens - 4 times already this year- with other cars as well
Its a bit each way. Bad school policy. Bad driving. Bad car for the job. Its a beat up, but I'm sure a lot of parents are quite concerned about this at schools all over the country. A death just unleashes this built up concern.
Note: ** Maybe outlawed is too strong. Perhaps if you choose to have one and you cause a pedestrian death and the bull bar is the primary cause of death, then you get a manditory jail term.
Lets not forget what bull-bars are designed to do: Take the full impact of a kangaroo or wild animal to avoid damaging the car. No crumple zones to reduce injury for you Mr Roo.
These are of course just my personal argumentive views, not the views of "Australian Xtrail".
Last edited by GeoffM, 18/May/2005, 10:06 am
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18/May/2005, 9:51 am
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jalalski
Date Registered: 02-2004
Location: SUTHERLAND, SYDNEY
TOTAL POSTS: 29100
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Re: special licence for 4wd drivers
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GeoffM wrote:
Lets not forget what bull-bars are designed to do: Take the full impact of a kangaroo or wild animal to avoid damaging the car. No crumple zones to reduce injury for you Mr Roo.
Hey Geoff, they also help to prevent damage when you get airborne LOL 
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18/May/2005, 10:16 am
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NPC73
X-TRAIL HOLIC
Date Registered: 12-2004
Location: Mount Isa, QLD
TOTAL POSTS: 1247
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Re: special licence for 4wd drivers
Sounds like a lot of this is being taken out of context. I don’t do much driving around schools, but I’d say a big factor would have to be the incompetence of the driver. Some people just shouldn’t have a license period. This combined with a non-safe level of vehicle speed is just an accident waiting to happen, not just around schools.
One solution is to force practical driving tests when one renews their open license every 5 years. Most people would fail the test, but would make for a much safer road.
A drivers license should be a privilege not a right.
For those with larger vehicles, I’d have to agree that reversing aids is advisable.
As for bull-bars, why should these be condoned for city driving? If it is because a child’s life could be saved, perhaps I guess so, but most people have them to offer a level of protection to the vehicle.
My two bobs worth
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18/May/2005, 1:09 pm
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basshead
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Date Registered: 02-2004
Location: Panania, Sydney
TOTAL POSTS: 2852
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Re: special licence for 4wd drivers
The edition of the story I watched listed three other groups of vehciles which I think were poor for visibility - the camry was one of them 
For those that haven't fully realised, (but like Peter already mentioned) - this week it's "bag 4WD owners" - last week (or month) it was truckies speeding (kilometres per hour, and drugs ) - next week (or month) it'll be car hoons and/or motorbike riders.
And so the cycle continues... All for ratings. You know it's just for ratings when the same topics continue to pop up in the media over and over again, and still nothing has been done to solve the so-called problems.
No offence to the parent(s) of the young school girl, but for them (or any parents) to say that they expect an immediate action to solve the respective problems, so no other child dies the same way, is very unrealistic. Accidents happen. It's a fact of life. And there is only so much that can be done to prevent accidents without confining everybody to their homes!
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