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Date Registered: 02-2004
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Rather than tack this onto the end (which will end up being in the middle) of a couple of other existing threads, I thought I'd start afresh...

I've had a bit of a look at the wiring for my big spotties...

The Nissan spot/driving light loom (for the lights which are affixed to the nudge bar, the loom is around $100 from Nissan parts) comes with a "piggy-back" connector where you unplug the plug behind the passenger's side headlight, plug the spotlight loom plug into the light, then the piggy-back socket into the original headlight plug (sorry if that sounds confusing, but if you've got one, it's not difficult to work out what I mean from a quick glance).

Basically the piggy-back setup is just a pass-through for the negative wire for the headlight (low and high beam globes), a pass-through for the low-beam globe, then a piggy-back for the high-beam globe, which goes away and comes back again (in the new "spotlight" loom), providing power for the relay coil for the spotlights... So when you turn on the high beams (either quick flash by pulling stalk towards you, or permanent high beam by pushing stalk away from you), this wire gets 12v supplied to it.

I've also figured out that the red & black wire going to the parking light globe (which is a separate plug completely) is the 12v positive. So what I need to do to be able to use the driving lights without making the high beam (factory headlights) coming on as well, is to remove the piggy-back plug from the headlight and splice into the wire (or get a hold of another parking globe plug and make up another piggy-back setup).

Knowing that I mostly use the driving lights to "flash" stupid drivers in front of me, I had a bit of a think and played around (without blowing any fuses, luckily!) and worked out that I could have the best of both worlds - have the driving lights come on with just the parking globes on (which is what I initially wanted) and also still be able to "flash" (or use the driving lights on high beam like they're supposed to be used). I found that when I bridged out the existing piggy-back wire over to the red & black 12v wire on the parking light globe, I could do this, but the only catch is that the high beams come on as soon as I put the parkers on (not good!). The electrical knowledge I have learnt over the years has paid off - all I need is a diode to put in series with this "bridge" wire, which will then prevent the high beams coming on when I switch the parkers on!

I just need to work out which diode to use - I am sure it won't need to be a large wattage one.

It'll probably take me many more months to get around to finishing this "project" emoticon

For anyone interested, one headlight (high beam I think it was) draws a touch under 5A - not that it's difficult to work that one out using ohm's law emoticon



By the way, cos mine is an ST, there's empty plugs all over the place... I came across another unused one which is taped-up near the parking light globe plug (there is definitely one on passenger's side but I didn't check to see if there is also one on the driver's side). Can someone with a Ti (or properly-installed FOG lights (Jalal?)) have a quick look and see if they have one the same, and if it's been used. I assume this plug is for the fog lights as it seems to have enough length on it to reach down to under the headlight assembly. It seems to have three pins/connections, but I can't work out why there would need to be three?!



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Hi Rich,

All is good, but I just have one question:

What will you achieve by just having your parker lights on with your big spotties?

Surely you don't expect to get-away from an upcoming police car with this set up? emoticon

Also I would expect you to get flashed by other drivers if you do decide to cruise around the city with your parker lights and spotties on.

I thought your initial requirement was the ability to switch on the spotties independently from the high beam and you can do so they way you described it without tapping into the parker lights.

The extra plugs you mentioned near the parker lights are available on my ST exy as well, I don't think these are the fog light plugs, as the one for the fog light will be at the bottom, just behind that plastic filling you have in your bumper. I thought these extra plugs (and there are some extra ones in the middle of the engine compartment) were for the HID/Xenon globes conversion, but I could be wrong.


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The main reason I wanted to be able to have the spotties on without the highbeam also being on is when driving through heavy rain or fog - I've already found that the high beam is too bright and reflects back into me thus preventing me seeing far at all. I know yellow light is better for fog, and I have the yellow lenses for my spotties.

While I have heard that they are just too bright to be effective as fog lights, I want to at least give them a try on their own, without the factory high beam also being on at the same time...

I have also heard the blue lenses are even better for fog, so if I'm allowed (to spend more money) I'll pick up a pair of them as well emoticon


As for these mysterious additional plugs which you claim could be for the HID option - this could be true, as the plug has a distinctively different type of connection to your normal 12v plug - the pins seem much smaller, with alot more insulation between them than 12v plugs - indicating they may be intended for higher voltage than 12v (and therefore possibly HID)...



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Rich, mine is a standard ST with Nissan fog lamps. The fog lamps have a green with orange wire (and a black) before the connector disappearing through the panel. I also have a three pin connector taped up near the parking lights (red/orange, blue, black) on both sides. Having a quick look in the cd manual (arrived by post today) I wonder whether this might be for electric headlight aiming motors emoticon main wire colours seem right, and three wires.
David.

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Hmmm.... I just had some fun popping fuses in the garage for about an hour and a half...

Looks like the way it's set up at the moment isn't going to be suitable for how I want it to work. The diode worked, but not in the way I expected it to.

I'll have to draw myself a diagram and see if I can figure it out that way (rather than my usual trial-and-error method emoticon ).

I have a bad feeling I'm going to need to run an additional wire to the switch in the dash, and maybe change the switch... Now that I think about it some more, I may still be able to use the existing switch if it's got a common terminal and a "1" and a "2" terminal (but I'll still need the extra wire)...

Might be time I scoured some electronics forums to see if someone else has wanted the same setup as me...

I've now changed the setup so the big spotties turn on when the parking lights come on (when the switch in the dash is turned on). I now no longer have my "super flash", so the silly drivers in front of me will just get a factory-strength high-beam flash emoticon


Aha! I did a bit of a search on some other forums and came across this... I haven't read it in detail yet but I feel it might be what I am after... http://forums.overlander.com.au/viewtopic.php?t=22018



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Looks like I was doing it all backwards...

Trying to do the wiring modification in the engine bay was a mistake from the very beginning!

I have completed the modification, and all I needed was another switch (only because I couldn't remove the first one that had been super-glued into the dash) so I popped into Nissan Spare Parts @ Rockdale, picked up an identical switch (approx $32) and used some scrap speaker wire (I needed the little spade terminals on the end to connect into the switch - I wasn't going to do the same method as last time - butcher the back of the switch housing to solder the wires onto the switch terminals!). I ended up getting the "parking lights signal" from the dash lights dimmer module right next to the switch, and the other wire went onto the "load" side of the existing (super-glued) driving lights switch.

Works a treat, and I'm not overly worried about having two switches on the dash - there's still at least one spare switch hole I can use in future (if I need it for more lights emoticon ).

Now I still use the left switch (usually ON) for the LF240's to come on with the high beam, and the right switch for when I want to use them as fog lights (to come on without the high beam).


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Date Registered: 01-2005
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as i did not like or use the fog lights on my exy i disconected the wiring of the back of one fog light and used it as a switch for my spots. thus using the switch on the light stalk , works great

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Hi, I have tried searching the forum using search feature but cannot seem to find the answer for the following.. I have a set of lightforce driving lights I am installing. Have the lightforce loom kit.

Have got the wires going through firewall into switch inside.

Have the driving lights wired, know the yellow goes to battery, yellow/black to earth and the black goes to negative on battery..... now the challenging part for me..

The brown cable from the relay needs to go to the active high beam wire on the back of the passenger head light. There are three... which one do I need to connect to: 1. red and yellow 2.black or 3. black and red??

Thanks
Ryan

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Hi Ryan,

Your answer is HERE

See Brett77's post.

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THANKYOU! Worked a treat, all installed! Got the car thursday, got the exhaust twin look system done friday , got the lightforce lights on today, tomorrow is the full clean and wax! Thanks for your help

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