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Date Registered: 01-2011
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Thanks Cooch and Trans for you info, I have been over and over the recovery and tow threads trying to find an option.

Can anyone offer information about using store bought recovery hooks attached to the chasis via the already drilled holes? Alternatively can you weld them onto the chasis or does this cause structural weakness to the chasis or make it an unrated tow point due to the weld not being tested ?

All thoughts welcome.

Koobs
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Date Registered: 06-2008
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The X trail does not have a chassis, if you bolt or weld recovery hooks or anything else for that matter on to the rails, then the monoque chassis will twist and your Xy will be crabbing whilst driving in a straight line.
Its not worth it.

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Date Registered: 01-2011
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Thanks for that.... guess it goes to the end of my improvements.

I expect that i will be travelling first or in the middle so that i can be pulled out of any sticky spots via the towbar.

/sigh.....

I might be able to give some good advice on the front screw in point after april this year.

Anyways thanks again for indulging me.

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Date Registered: 12-2010
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1) On my T31 April 2010 built Exy I have the one "recovery" point at the front. Access via a removable cover in front bumper and the insertion of a threaded eye bolt. I had a good look at the recovery steel work with its threaded hole and noted that it was welded to the front chassis component.

I would think that having a replica access point welded to the drivers side of the chassis as well and then utilising an equaliser strap would be a much more effective method for front end recovery? A lot less chance of chassis bending/warping in those instance where narrow tracks would only allow the recovery vehicle to be dead in front rather than at the side.
Of course a suitable access hole through the bumper would need to be provided.

Has anyone heard whether this mod has been done, whether it's feasible and whether it would reduce risk of chasssis damage in more extreme front end recovery circumstances.

As mentioned previously in this thread, rear end recovery using tow bar pin would be preferable but may not always be possible.

2) I was browsing the ECB website looking at suitable nudge bar options for my T31.
In the description text for each nudge bar alternatice, ECB only refers to the use of existing "Tow Points" or relocated "Tow Points" . At a recent basic 4WD course at Lithgow it was again made very clear that "Tow points" ARE NOT "recovery points" and should bot be used as such.

My Nissan owners manual refers to recovery points...both the front screw in eye bolt and the rear drivers side point.

So, today I sent ECB an email requesting them to clarify whether they deem the "Tow points" they refer to, can actually be classed as "Recovery points.

I am waiting a response. Copy of my email below.
          
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ECB,

I have purchased a Nissan XTRAIL, ST-L CVT, Manufacturer’s build date is April 2010.

On your website I have been viewing the different types of nudge bars suitable for my vehicle. I am keen to add a nudge bar or replacement bumper to my XTRAIL.

 In your description of the various types of nudge bars (added nudge bars or full bumper replacements) you regularly refer to “Towing Points” and either existing “Tow points” are still accessible or whether “tow points” have been added/relocated.

 My Nissan XTRAIL owners manual refers to “recovery points”. Having recently attended an accredited basic 4WD training course it was made very plain that tow points WERE NOT recovery points and therefore should not be used for the recovery of vehicles using snatch ropes etc.

 Does your company rate your “Tow Points” as suitable for use as “Recovery Points” and if not I can see no advantage of installing one of your nudge bars or replacement bumpers that make existing “recovery points” inaccessible.

I have also fitted under body protection plates. Does the addition of the front protection plate affect the installation of any of your nudge bar products.

 Other XTRAIL owners may also interested in your response.

 

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Dave, i have contemplated the same thing about a second recovery point on the front. Here are a couple of things that stopped me.

o) i am still in the warranty period (dont want to jeperdise that)

o) The mounting point you are speaking of is a metal pipe bolted (RHS or the like) onto the chasis, i am unsure what it is rated at or what the bolts securing it to the chasis are rated at.

o) If the above two were given the green light, there is the issue of 2 recovery eyelets (both screw in) being pulled together with an equiliser strap. Issues would arrise when using an equliser strap if the pins bent towards each other or forced the thread to bend causing the eyelets to be stuck and unable to be removed.

My thoughts are that if you were going to go the efforts of getting a second reinforced eyelet hole, why not scrap the idea totally and have two recovery points made and bolted to the front bar at the same reinforced points instead. This would remove the thread and bending issue.

They would have to be small enough to remain behind the plastic bumper unseen but large enough to attach a bow hook / D shackle / Recovery hooks.

If you wanted to stay with the thread type point maybe a smaller version of the eyelet bolt that comes with the exy, which could be screwed in and a nut placed on the back to secure it in place.

It is something I continue to dwell on, but until my exy comes out of warranty it is nothing I will touch.

It is much food for thought for the off road exy driver.


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I have also fitted under body protection plates. Does the addition of the front protection plate affect the installation of any of your nudge bar products.



I can say that with my T31 series 1 the nudge bar from these people does not affect the front protection plate at all and i have had no issues with the eyelet recovery point at all and if you are careful you can get away with out adding to many more recovery points.

I have been breaking the rules on never travel alone for the past 3 years and I have only needed that recovery point twice!

Our exy has been off road in a lot of great places and I am now eager to tackle the beaches hence the reason for the driver training day in May!

Hope this helps!

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Thanks Scott and Koobs.
My exy still has 30 months waranty so I won 't do anything that may jeopardise same.
I will leave the front "recovery" point as is at this time.
Your point of possible pins bending seems logical if 2 used with equaliser strap.
My main issue was the use of the words "towing points" on ECB literature referring to nudge bars. I guess I expected a nil response from them regarding my query.

Anyway, if front bash plates do not interfere with nudge bar installation then I will just have to have one installed that allows access to existing recovery point and hope I never have to use it.
At the recent xtrail meeting down the Illawarra way it was also mentioned that front air bags could easily activate if the front recovery point is used!!

just one more reason not to get stuck and if it does happen then rear recovery to be seriously considered.

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I have a ECB bar fitted and have used the recovery point with a snatch strap and pulled out of a ditch and no sign of air bags going off.

If you go to members rides and look for sexy exy and have a look at some photo's of the nudge bar you will see where it fits in the car!

You will also see where the recovery hole for the hook is as well!

Regards Scot

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I can't see the airbags being set off by being pulled out of a bog, it all depends on the force being used. Excessive 'pull' could probably twist the front chassis setting it off.
An impact of 26km/h or greater is the trigger for an airbag.

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I installed 2 x 8tonne recovery hooks in 2008, when putting the nudge on. Changed the bolts for high tensile as well. Used in anger once, in deep sand at Rainbow Beach with a equaliser strap.
NO dramas at all, nice equal and smooth pull.

The T31 appears to have the tie downs in a ridiculous position, so I am unsure as to wether hooks can be installed under there. But with enough research, anything is generally possible.

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