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Date Registered: 03-2005
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basshead wrote:

Sorry to dig this thread from the grave,...
 
... If the equaliser strap between the two tie-down brackets is virtually a straight line (or near to or greater than 120 degrees) then there is a high risk of the tie-down brackets being pulled towards each other (and/or ripped off) as the force exerted on them will be MORE than the actual towing/snatching weight/force!!!

If anyone is having trouble understanding this, I'll draw up a quick picture of it and attach it to the thread.



Great point Basshead.

In case anyone's having trouble understanding the risks, take a look at this

Kluger Stuck on Beach, Mates Car Stuffed.

Makes a very expensive day's play, even if no one gets killed.

Cheers

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Date Registered: 10-2005
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DOM,

 Mate, I have just absolutely laughed my little butt off, which is I guess could be a strange occurance in an empty house at midnight.

Re the equalizer strap debate:

 I have actually been researching this topic a bit over the last few hours and it appears that almost all 4wd gear stockists have 2.5m and 3m equalizer straps.

 Working on the 3m strap, this gives a distance of 1.5m between the anchor point and each recovery point of the vehicle. (stay with me and keep thinking of the triangle design here guys)

 I was never good a maths, but in guessing that it is roughly 1.2m between both recovery hooks at the front of the x-trail(i have no car to measure sorry), this gives an angle at the far end (anchor point) of about 80 degrees, which is better then the 'golden rule of less than 120 degrees' as mentioned by Rich.

 Moral to the story, buy at least a 3 metre equaliser strap, in order to get the anchor point angle below 120 degrees.

 Several more tips:
  1. Always use your own straps, whether you are the recovery vehicle or the bogged one.
  2. Always use rated shackles.
  3. NEVER join two straps together with shackles or anything metal.
  4. NEVER use the actual towball as a recovery point.

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Date Registered: 06-2005
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I know this is a fairly old thread now but the X-Trail tie downs should not be considered recovery points ( for snatching at least) probably OK just to tow along if you have broken down.
This was brought up at the inaugural trip of the new SA High Range 4WD club & we X-Trailers were advised to change the front hook point bolts for high tensile ones as the standard ones are just plain old bolts & might easily break if you attempt to snatch the vehicle using the tie downs.
At the rear a nissan towbar is considered a rated point, but dont use the tow ball. Use a strap around the pin through the bar.
Anyone taken the bolts off & know what size they are? (geez I'm lazy, I should probably take one of mine off)

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Date Registered: 08-2006
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Good info Dave.

Does anyone know where you can buy high tensile bolts to replace the standard bolts?

As for snatching out using the tow bar, I'm a bit confused as to how to do this exactly. So you remove the tow ball assembly and simply run the pin through the loop in the end of the snatch strap? Is that pin really strong enough? I've got a trailboss (same as Haymann Reece) tow bar which I assume is at least as good as the nissan default.

Thanks
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Jollyman wrote:
As for snatching out using the tow bar, I'm a bit confused as to how to do this exactly. So you remove the tow ball assembly and simply run the pin through the loop in the end of the snatch strap? Is that pin really strong enough? I've got a trailboss (same as Haymann Reece) tow bar which I assume is at least as good as the nissan default.

Thanks
Joel



Yes Joel, that is exactly how you snatch using the towbar locking pin shaft. It is VERY strong indeed.

I have one of those lockable stainless steel shafts and I have snatched Rich (basshead) with it once.



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Date Registered: 08-2006
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hello all ,,i was also concerned about getting my self recovered if need being and when having tow bar fitted at TJM offroad equipment asked about front recovery points and for $100 fitted they installed proper recovery steel brackets with high tensile bolts ,,there not hooks and need shackles to use and a tree truck protector with load balanced ,, these went straight on and aligned with bolt holes of origional front tow hooks
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It'd be interesting to know if TJM could provide information on the load rating of those points after the fitment of their recovery points? I'd be interested if they gave a decent rating which other 4WD drive owners could feel confident about snatching me out.

I've emailed a Nissan dealer hoping they might be able to get some figures on the load ratings on the factory points.
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Well the reply from a Nissan Dealer here is that the 'recovery' points are rated at 2 tonnes. At least now I can tell other 4wd owners what the rating is if I get into trouble.
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I got some high tensile bolts yesterday for my front tie down points.
The bolts are 10mm x 30mm long with a 1.25 pitch thread.

You probably wont get these at the local hardware store. Bunnings had HT bolts but only in 1.5 pitch threads.
A visit to the nearest bolt & nut shop will be necessary. I went to Universal Fasteners.
About $10 for the 6 bolts & $1.20 for 6 washers
 
Have only changed 2 so far & have found they have different sized heads, one was 16mm & the other 17mm (on the new bolts that is) the existing bolts need a 16mm spanner.

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 Thanks for the tip Dave(Waky53).

 I just dropped in to my local bolt shop and picked me up some high tensile bolts, rated at 8.8 tonnes. They weigh almost twice that of the OE ones, which surprised me.

 When I showed him the current bolts, he laughed and told me that they are NOT rated at all and are only put there for the shipping purpose and not for recovery purposes. The OE bolts are only standard bolts used for securing items together and have NO sideways strength at all. If you knwow what I mean.
 
 Apparently normal bolts get their strength from downward pressure and the actual threaded bolt part has no strength and will bend/snap if pulled with sideways pressures. Thus enter the 8.8 tonne high tensile bolts. Total cost with washers, $12.

  There you all go, learnt something new today, didn't you...I certainly did. emoticon

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