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What the manual refers to is if it's outside the spec's, locate and find the worn or damage componets.
I have had a full 4 wheel alignment two times, after the spacers and then springs.
The only thing that was out was the toe in. Everything else was still within spec's.

I hope I havn't lost you, as once you understand it is quite simple.



That is correct. I overlooked the part where it said that the caster and camber are not adjustable and just located it in the manual.

Having said that, the values are there for a reason and should be checked when the spacers and suspension lift are added. It is good to know that your values were within spec.

P.S. I am not challenging your mechanical expertise and skills in this discussion, rather trying to get the full story in all its details for the benefit of many others who may not be so knowledgeable in this field (myself included).

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And just to clarify on what I think you are saying.
 Any value between the upper and lower is normal. It may sit a bit higher/lower then the normal due to weight, spring sag, rubbers on there way out or other. But still within service limits. Just say for augment sake, we had 2 new standard cars. And had a wheel alignment done on both. Both figures would be different, but around the normal.
Even if you swapped or re align them. There would have a slight difference between results.
These can come down to a buckled rim, full tank of fuel ,if the car has been jacked up on the host- and hasn’t been able to settle properly. Or could even be the machine doing the alignment.
 There are a lot of little variables that can affect the Camber, Caster and toe in. That’s were experience come in.


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Thanks for the clarification Wally. I found the factory values range to be spot on and very accurate to use as a guide when doing the alignment.

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Billie,

 Ok mate point proven, but where are the pics of your lift. I am still interested in going a little higher with the spacer, but I'd like to see how it looks first.

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Ordered my King springs today, should be fitted by early next week!

watch out Brett, im chasing you down emoticon LOL

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Matt wrote: watch out Brett, im chasing you down



 That's fine Matt, but you will need to find another 50mm. I am heading into Superior Engineering on the way up north to pick me up some spacers. Good try. emoticon emoticon emoticon

 Although I am a little worried about the added angle this will cause, and having no proof that it can be actually done, I will only be making this alteration if the cv angles are within spec. But I wont know until they are on...

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just when i thought i was catching up!

cant wait to see them in emoticon

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OK its been a while since I added anything to a discussion! I thought I might be able to clarify things for some people wanting to try the spacer mod but were worried about the results.
I had them fitted about six months ago (give or take 12,500km) and do not feel the immediate need to return to the suspension shop to have them removed. Sure the legality might be questionable but there are plenty of other 4wd's with two inch lifts about. Unfortunately I also replaced the tyres with BFG's so can't comment on just the spacers. Anyway the spacers appear to be constructed to a very high standard and the xtrail came back within wheel alignment specs first go. Don't ask me the specs because the computer didn't say. I was watching in anticipation but I suppose there is a range which is deemed satisfactory and the shop had no drama's whatsoever. I also havent rotated the tyres because it is very hard to tell the difference between the wear on the front and the back tyres. I suppose that is because of the tyres rather than the spacers. Anyway- no hideous tyre wear probs so far.
With spacers and BFG's there is more body roll and not as much on road grip!!!!! In my opinion the Xtrail was never and will never be a sports car so that wasn't my intention. I wanted more clearance to cover beach work and the odd bush trail. For these types of tasks the Xtrail has improved to the point I am questioning the need for a proper 4wd. The grip (off road)and clearance is very good and if thats what you are after thats great. In hindsight I may of opted for some different tyres (maybe coopers atr's) but would fit the spacers again everyday of the week.

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good write up there Buckers, do you have any pics?

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Nothing recent but 2 of my 4 member photos show the changes to the car.

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