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Date Registered: 01-2006
Location: Bendigo
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RPM at 100km/h?


What is the X-Trail engine RPM at 100km/h for automatic and manual gearboxes?


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Date Registered: 02-2004
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Re: RPM at 100km/h?


Hi djHSL and welcome to the forums.

Not knowing your location or the type of xtrail you have, I can only presume you're asking this question about the Australian version of the xtrail which has the QR25DE 2.5LT engine and not the 2.0LT engine which is available in other countries in Asia.

Is my assumption correct?

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Date Registered: 01-2006
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Wow! Quick reply!

Sorry I didn't give enough information in my first post. I'm in Australia, and shopping for my next car, with X-Trail on the list of candidates.

This is a research question. My current car (Honda Jazz) has a big difference in engine speed between automatic and manual - around 2,000RPM for 100km/h automatic, and 3,000RPM manual. It has a significant bearing on fuel consumption (not really the biggest issue with Jazz!)

My local Nissan dealer only has automatic in stock, and didn't know the answer to this question. Hoping someone here can help.


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Date Registered: 02-2004
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Thanks for the information.

I have just tested my Auto xtrail (2.5LT) on 100kms/hour and the RPM was a hairline below 2500RPM

Those who have a manual can add their reply here too.

In your research you really should look at the Fuel Consumption thread on the Main Chat area of this forum, if that is what you're concerned about.

Good luck.

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Date Registered: 08-2005
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Hi djHSL ... welcome!!

I am a little puzzled by your approach to this, knowing what rpm a car does at a certain km/h is not an indication of likely fuel usage. An auto typically uses more fuel simple because of the extra power losses through the gearbox compared to a manual and depending on how good the auto box is it might result in the engine labouring more until it changes gear.

Stop start traffic is typically where you will see fuel economy hammered, not the open road - unless you live and work next to the freeway!! emoticon

Out of curiosity though I will get the reading from mine tomorrow morning on the way to work.

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Rybky, it isn't only an issue of fuel consumption. Engine speed can be a major contributor to NVH and the overall driving experience.

Again, I'll use the Jazz as an example. My wife and I each have one - hers is automatic, mine manual, otherwise completely identical. Because of the lower engine speed, hers is much more pleasant to drive at highway speeds, and is around 15% more economical.

We've recently moved from Melbourne to country Victoria, and most of our driving is now 100km/hr on lousy country bitumen. In order of importance, our selection criteria for a new car are:

1. Purchase price. I will spend no more than $35,000 for a car, and prefer to spend less.

2. Carrying capacity. I'm a mobile DJ, and I need to carry all our equipment. (The Jazz swallows an amazing amount of stuff for its size, but I'm being booked for larger events, and need to carry even more)

3. NVH. Most of the roads I travel are secondary highways - sealed, but in poor condition. I want a car where I can listem to music with as little intrusion as possible, and converse with passengers without shouting.

4. Running costs. The combined effect of fuel consumption and standard servicing directly affect my profitability. (I've checked the relevant threads - X-Trail is equivalent to my other candidates).

Now you should understand my question a little better emoticon


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quote:

djHSL wrote:

Rybky, it isn't only an issue of fuel consumption. Engine speed can be a major contributor to NVH and the overall driving experience.



In my 3 years of driving an exy (xtrail) NVH (noise, vibration and Harshness for those who don't know the acronym) has never been an issue.

The xtrail is a very stable car when it comes to engine vibration, yes, you will see the bonnet shaking a little, but that is not annoying and it has been solved by fitting the K&N performance air filter.

Not to mention that you will be jumping from 81KW powered engine (Jazz) to 132KWs emoticon

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Again, I'll use the Jazz as an example. My wife and I each have one - hers is automatic, mine manual, otherwise completely identical. Because of the lower engine speed, hers is much more pleasant to drive at highway speeds, and is around 15% more economical.



Could it also be that your wife drives her Jazz with a lighter foot on the pedal compared to your driving pattern? There are a lot of contributing factors to the difference in fuel economy between one car and another and between one driver and another; this is in addition to the difference between auto and manual as already mentioned by Adam above.

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1. Purchase price. I will spend no more than $35,000 for a car, and prefer to spend less.



Achievable price with the current specials Nissan is running. Do a bit of research on this forum and find-out what members have paid recently for their xtrails.

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2. Carrying capacity. I'm a mobile DJ, and I need to carry all our equipment. (The Jazz swallows an amazing amount of stuff for its size, but I'm being booked for larger events, and need to carry even more)



No issues here either and I can assure you it will carry more than the Jazz does.

Facts:

Jazz luggage capacity (seats down) is 1323 litres

Xtrail luggage capacity (seats down) is 1841 litres

Seats up (xtrail 410, Jazz 380)

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3. NVH. Most of the roads I travel are secondary highways - sealed, but in poor condition. I want a car where I can listen to music with as little intrusion as possible, and converse with passengers without shouting.



Depends what music you listen to LOL emoticon Hard Metal and Rock is no problems off road. hehehe

Seriously though it's not an issue again. Been off-road, been listening to music when not doing water crossings and been hearing my kids shouting at the back "clearly" I would have wished for some engine vibration here to block that noise LOL

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4. Running costs. The combined effect of fuel consumption and standard servicing directly affect my profitability. (I've checked the relevant threads - X-Trail is equivalent to my other candidates).



Running cost of the xtrail are very reasonable in terms of servicing and fuel consumption but it'll be slightly more than the Jazz of course. After all it is a 4WD!



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Date Registered: 08-2004
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Our manual 5sp 2003 STR (same drivetrain on all manual XTrails) does about:

100km=2800~2900rpm (a bit hard to tell exactly)

Although I do agree with "Rybky", the consumption is going to have more to do with the right foot, the last load of fuel etc etc etc and it'll be almost impossible to compare across different makes/models of cars based on just RPM. Different manufacturers can use quite different fuel maps in the ECU and different ways of deciding if the car should be in economy highway mode or whatever....
Different engines (with diefferent cams etc) can require vastly different amounts of fuel at different RPM, its going to be really hard to tell.

We swear by manuals and have only ever considered buying a manual car, then recently I drove automatic XTrail and I must say that unless you need a manual, the auto was perfect. It is a far cry from the old autos and even much better than my relatively new F**d work car.

The XTrail noise levels seem perfectly OK to us and is actually fairly quiet at idle or cruising. The only time you really hear the motor/exhaust is when you get up it a fair bit - and that's usually what you want anyway.


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Well, thanks to the wonderful Sydney traffic I was not able to get to 100km/h anywhere on my journey today. emoticon

Hopefully others will be able to check this out for you, although as Eggins pointed out it is hard to get an accurate figure from the gauge.

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Mines a ti-l auto & at 100kph by speedo I'm doing 2200-2300rpm. This is when torque convertor is locked up.

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