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Date Registered: 02-2004
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Probably because of the price of the Nissan kit John emoticon The aftermarket kit cost around $46 and I believe Nissan price is double that (if I'm not mistaken)




I think mine was about $95 from Nissan. I bought it before I bought the X-Trail, and only bought it because I couldn't be bothered making up my own loom/wiring. The wiring loom/kit from Nissan (and I suppose aftermarket ones) are a no-brainer to install.


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Date Registered: 10-2005
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 I have always used the 'Piranha' heavy duty wiring loom and thoroughly recommend it. Costs between $75 and $100, depending on vehicle, but the quality is hard to beat. Simple plug-in and forget. Can't beat that. Actually uses one of the factory original female sockets for the switching 12v and the rest is heavy duty cabling.

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In reference to Rich's comments about the original cable size, I checked that and it's ok. The critical cable is the one from the battery and this was 14 guage cable. If you want to be really over cautious, you could replace this wire, but I didn't see a lot of point considering its size.

The switching side of the relay can be light guage as there is little power draw associated with this side of the electrics. Effectively the switch side is only operating an electromagnet and the amperage is around 7 Amps.

As to the Nissan relay setups, they are a blatant rip-off! I could wire up a set of lights using high grade components for a MAX of $50.
Breaking it down: Relay $5-$10 (depending on Amperage), Switch (Narva)$15, Fuse holder and fuse $5, cable $10-$15 Connectors $5.
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OK, I've had a look at the Series 1 setup to see if it is as easy as AKAK9's post... and I'm hitting brick walls (but this could be just me)emoticon


First brick wall: In the rear relay holder, there is only one relay socket base and that indicates that it is for a rear fog lamp (bonus if I want to install that later)

Second brick wall: There is no brown relay block in the lower section of the dash. Having studied the service manual, this block may be up higher, around the height of the driver side glove box. Question being, does this whole section of dash come out easily? The very bottom bit is fine, but, and I guess you could call it the middle dash, looks tricky.

Now this service manual seems to indicate that there are no existing relays for the lights. It shows that there is just a connection from the combination switch straight to the headlamps. The size of the wiring to the headlamps is suprising, very low grade... for another thread: increasing the output of the lights could be done by increasing the size of the wires and by installing relays.

So I get the feeling I am going to need to do the hard yards to install my driving lights... that is; find the wire from the high beam switch, take a point from this and install a new switch for the spotlights, run the other side of that switch through the firewall to a relay that I locate within the spare spaces in the relay holder and wire the lights from there.

As I said, maybe it's just me missing some vital useful bit of information or perhaps I'm just a bit slow. So has anyone actually wired up a series 1 without too many dramas that would like to share? emoticon

 

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To be brutally honest, it sounds like you need to skip the install method I suggested and run fresh wiring.

Have a look on the net for basic wiring of driving lights and copy this. (there are dozens of 4x4 sites explaining how)

I only mentioned the Series 2 method because I hate bits that don't look original. (one of my many quirks)

One thing I will comment on was the reference to larger wiring getting more voltage. The only wiring that needs to be a decent size is the high voltage side, ala the battery to lights side of the relay. The switch side of the relay can be fairly light as this carries a low amperage. Larger wiring doesn't improve power to the lights as such because resistance increases par say, but what it does do is provide a safety net for high wattage/amperage. 14 guage wire is plenty, 10 to 8 guage is overkill for lights using 2x100watt globes.

In fact I saw someone use 6 guage wire once and wondered why the lights were dim!!! I've wired up hundreds of rally cars and the largest size cable I have ever used has been 12 guage, and this was on a rally truck with a 24 volt system.

If I could get my hands on a Series 1 wiring diagram however, I could sort it out in no time flat. Anyone help in this regard?
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Is this the diagram your after?

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That's the schematic I've studied a bit Noel.

I will just install with fresh wiring but was hoping for the neater and easier solution. Actually wiring it is not a problem. The bit I'm dreading most is getting through the firewall.

I'll try my hand at doing a DIY for this installation method.

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Nathan,

There are rubber grommets to feed the wires through the firewall, emoticon

Have a look at some of my pics in this thead:

Rear Fog Light DIY Installation

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Or my GME UHF CB Installation FAQ/Thread emoticon


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Can anyone tell me which is the active high beam wire under the dash for the series II? I'm going to set my switch up similar to this:

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