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Date Registered: 08-2005
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Re: Where to mount a rear view camera?


Well, I have had my camera mounted in the fog light blank for some time now ... just not fitted to the car!!

The problem I have is getting the camera to mount securely, the camera I have has a bevelled edge so does not sit flat, as a result it tends to work itself loose. Coupled with that it is a very cheap camera and the two rings that screw on the back to hold it don't grip too well.

So I need to work on getting it fitted securely, then it will get wired in. Hopefully this job will get done in the next couple of weeks.

- Adam

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Re: Where to mount a rear view camera?


The installation of my camera is progressing well now that I have finally got the time to do it.

Last weekend I sat down and worked on the mounting of the camera, the main problem I had was the two rings that screw down on the back of the camera, they simply did not grip! That's what you get for buying a cheap camera I guess. Anyway, problem solved by wrapping a small amount (not overlapping) of insulating tape around the thread, now the rings screw down tight and will not vibrate loose either.

Having drilled the right size hole in the middle of the fog light blanking plate (and nearly cutting my finger off in the process! ... be careful kids!), I was finally able to mount the camera on the car. I was able to push the wires through following the same route as the fog light wiring and bring them through the grommet into the spare wheel well.

At this point I would like to say ... THANK YOU NISSAN!!

Why you ask?

Well, today I set about running the 5m AV cable from the boot down to my head unit at the front. I have wired lights, subs and CD changers into a few cars over the years and this was always the most problematic part. Not in the X-Trail, it took me 10 mins to run the cable down the length of the car completely hidden behind the trim, not only that but it is using the existing wiring loom clips and did not require any tools! emoticon

This weekend I just need to complete the routing of the AV cable in the dash (need to drop the glove box out) to my head unit. Then I just need to locate the reversing light +ve in the wiring loom in the boot and "T" in to that to get power to the camera when reverse is selected. Locate a suitable earth point. And finally run a signal wire from the reverse light wire at the fuse box to my head unit (the head unit will detect this signal wire going to ground when reverse is selected and switch the screen to the camera input).

I will take some pictures of the whole install over the weekend and post a DIY guide.



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Re: Where to mount a rear view camera?


Adam,

Sounds like a nice setup. Am keen to see some pics of your setup.

Cheers

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Re: Where to mount a rear view camera?


For those interested, the Nissan Patrol now has an option for a reversing camera. I've seen the unit and it's well made and goes for about $290.
That might sound a lot, but it has a waterproof housing and is fairly plug and play with most A/V inputs. It compares favourably with the likes of Pioneer, Clarion and Alpine units. In fact I have a sneeking suspicion that the unit may be a Fujitsu unit.
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Re: Where to mount a rear view camera?


Mission accomplished! emoticon

Here is a simple DIY guide for my camera install. Note this is an Australian Series II Ti, other models may vary.

Mounting the camera

I decided that I wanted my camera to be looking back from the car to give me the sort of view that a mirror gives you but from a perspective you cannot get with a mirror. Other people I know have fitted a camera pointing down over the bumper, I understand this helps with seeing when you are close to an object behind but does not give you visibility of things you are not expecting (like a young child) until way too late.

I don't have the rear fog light on my car so there is a nice plastic blanking plate in the center of the bumper, a perfect place to mount my flush fitting camera! I simply marked the center of the plate by drawing diagonal lines between opposite corners, X marked the spot. Then I used a simple hole cutter to cut the require hold diameter for my camera. I had some issues with the mounting of the camera because the screw down rings on the back did not grip properly (cheap camera!) but a small amount of insulating tape wrapped around the thread soon sorted that out and prevents vibration from loosening them.

Here is the camera mounted in the panel:

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And the panel in place on the car:

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Wiring it in

There are a few different options for wiring the camera up. In terms of connections it has an AV cable for video, a positive (12V) and a negative. I decided that I would take power for the camera from the reversing lights so that it was only powered on when I was in reverse. This also makes things a little easier as the wiring loom for the lights is right there at the back and easily accessible. All I needed to do was tap into the reverse light wire, find an earth point and run the AV cable down the length of the car to my head unit.

From the fog light I was able to push the camera wires through following the fog light wiring (which is just tucked in behind the blanking plate). The fog light wires come through a rubber grommit into the spare wheel well so I pulled that out and fished the camera wires through.

Here is a shot of the camera wires going out the side of the fog light housing:

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.. and then through the grommit into the spare wheel well. I simply cut a hole in the back of the grommit and pushed the wires through so I could pop it back in place:

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Next I connected up the positive to the reverse light, from the service manual I worked out that this is the Yellow/Green Stripe wire but I did test it as well to be sure! The manual was correct. So I used one of these invaluable blue connectors (they have a name but I can't think of it) to 'T' into the wire:

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Next, the earth point. The wires provided from the camera are quite short and there were no suitable earth points close enough, so I extended the wire and ran it along the existing loom down the right hand side of the spare wheel well. There are some bolts there which gave me a great earth point:

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Now the job I usually hate when doing a job like this, running the wiring from the back to the front of the car and managing to keep it hidden behind the trim. In the X-Trail this is an easy task. I decided to run AV cable down the passenger side of the car as it is easier to get across under the dash to the head unit.

First I ran the AV cable across the back of the spare wheel well along the existing wiring loom:

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... and then down the passenger side. Note I had to remove all the foam mouldings from around the boot, they all just lift out easily:

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No need to tie it down as it will be behind the foam moulding for the side compartment when it is back in place. In the picture above you can see where I pushed the cable under the back of the rear seat, no need to remove the rear seat, I just dropped it forward. With the bottom of the rear seat lifted up it was easy to locate the wire as it came through, I then lifted out the plastic trim on the door sill, to reveal a wiring loom already running down there nicely clipped with space for more cables!! Woohoo!

Here is the view looking down on the rear door sill, you can see the blue wire coming down under the back of the seat, behind the small bit of plastic trim and along the door sill in the clips:

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Then I remove the same door sill trim from the front passenger door and simply pushed the cable through behind the center piller trim (this trim pulls out a bit so you can grab the wire easily). Again I unclipped the existing loom clips and dropped my cable in:

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I had to pull off the first part of the door seal up to the bottom of the dash so that I could feed the cable behind the trim and then up into the dash. To get to this I simply dropped the glove box down (no need to completely remove, and fed the cable up behind it, there are 4 screws that hold the glove box (marked on this pic):

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The wire can then be routed over the top of the glovebox compartment and easily into the center section of the dash where my head unit is:

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When I removed the dual din cd changer from it's factory position (at the top) I replaced it with an open box, then I moved the flapped box up so that I could place my head unit down lower, it will be obvious why later! Here is the center part of the dash with the trim removed, I had left the wiring under the unit so I could do this without removing the head unit again:

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In the above picture, the box mounted under the flapped box is the Pioneer iPod interface module, the iPod itself lives in the flapped box - out of sight but easy to get to if I need to.

Now the head unit also required a signal wire to tell it that reverse has been selected so it switches the display to the AV input. I was hoping to get this from the fuse box as the head unit can either detect the signal wire becoming positive or it becoming earthed (i.e. after or before the switch). However this proved very hard to find the right wire down there at the fuse box so I ended up running a wire from the reverse light feed at the back (the same one that powers the camera) all the way to the front. This followed the same path as the AV cable so I have not shown it here, the photos were taken before I discovered I needed to do this!

All back together!

So here it is all back together again, a surprisingly easy job!

Here is my head unit when it is off, I like the fact that it does not look like much as this is what you see when you look into the car:

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Turn on the ignition however and a 6.5" touch screen elegantly folds out of the unit and sets itself back slightly so that it sits close the dash, note how it covers the flapped pocket but that is ok because there is only the iPod in there, if it had been higher it would obstruct the intruments:

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The above shot is with music playing from the iPod. Now, drop it into reverse and the screen instantly switches over to this:

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I am so impressed with this, the camera has a wide angle lense giving a 60 deg viewing angle with a reversed image and because it is at the very back of the car (furthest point) it gives a view that I could never get from the mirrors. As an example, in the mirrors I could only just see that wooden pole on the right but the camera shows way past that. emoticon

I hope this guide helps others, any questions on this please add them to this thread.

Last edited by Rybky, 6/May/2006, 6:23 pm


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Re: Where to mount a rear view camera? ** Now with DIY Guide **


Excellent write-up Adam. Thanks a lot!

I can't believe how clear the view from that "cheap" camera is, it is VERY clear and wide indeed.

The angle is just perfect too.

Now you will have NO excuse whatsoever reversing into a car and/or a pole LOL emoticon

The only thing I would be concerned about is dirt on the lens, as you know that spot in the bumper gets very dirty and really quick, so I guess you gonna have to remember to wipe the lens every now and then which is not a big deal anyway.

This has now been added to our ever growing list of DIY Guides (which is very impressive indeed)

Well done!

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Re: Where to mount a rear view camera? ** Now with DIY Guide **


Adam,

Very nice setup. Those of us with the Rear Fog Light installed would need to find another location for the camera and just below into the bumper would be a good alternative option.

Nice setup with your Pioneer head unit looks awesome, wish I had one. emoticon How much did the Pioneer set you back?

Nice write up, thanks for all that, emoticon

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Re: Where to mount a rear view camera? ** Now with DIY Guide **


quote:

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The only thing I would be concerned about is dirt on the lens, as you know that spot in the bumper gets very dirty and really quick, so I guess you gonna have to remember to wipe the lens every now and then which is not a big deal anyway.



Yeah, this did cross my mind. However, unless you mounted the camera inside the rear window behind a part that the wiper clears, you will always have this problem with a rear view camera.

I will just need to give it a quick wipe every now and then if I find the picture hard to view.

Parallel parked it today and the view was like the V8 supercar on board cameras!! emoticon



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Re: Where to mount a rear view camera? ** Now with DIY Guide **


I've been after a rear view camera for a while, can you tell us where you got it from?
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Re: Where to mount a rear view camera? ** Now with DIY Guide **


quote:

AKAK9 wrote:

I've been after a rear view camera for a while, can you tell us where you got it from?



I got it from eBay, shipped from HK. I had a look the other day and the same one is not listed anymore but there are other very similar ones.



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